4 years in and pretty much zero improvements to clouds

I hope I don’t jinx myself by saying this but today I had two great flights. One from Nelson to Wellington in New Zealand and then a second in my area where i was sure I would catch the sim in a METAR mismatch but VERY much to my surprise it was actually almost perfectly accurate. Only the thickness of the cloud layer and the subsequent shadow colors were wrong – but I was very impressed and very much enjoyed it – and pretty sure it wont be right tomorrow but time will tell. Anyway, heres a few pics:



and then tonight it was just a single layer at 7500 feet which I expected either clear or tons of clouds at 1200 but the sim did it correctly for the most part and clouds were at 7500:




PS: my main issue with clouds is when I see things like this:

The puffs are just too obvious and it doesnt look like clouds at those times. My other issue would be high clouds like this:

I’d much rather see the new cirrus or the way things once were like this:

I still do not understand why we can’t back those high clouds we once had that looked really really great. But - thanks Asobo for making the clouds better. We could use more of that. I dont really need more points of interest. Id rather everywhere be interesting via clouds and ground scenery.

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Yes the live weather across the UK is spot on today as well and looking so good and accurate! I hope it’s some fix they’ve done server side and it lasts!

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Something has definitely changed in the last 3 days!
Suddenly I see more variations and the weather seems to be more ‘accurate’ !
As if forecast/metar/satellite were better adjusted to each other !

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This is good! Maybe they are secretly listening to us!

unfortunately, these images are exceptions. I still see horrible depictions, low quality clouds and no varieties only generic clouds in many locations over the world.

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And because of this specific issue, at least one potential customer, (me) who may or not be representative* of the main target audience, remains completely unconvinced that Asobo is at all capable of delivering on their promises. Let alone giving out any money to find out if this is true or not.

*Just a typical long timer, who started out with FlightSims back in FS4.0, (a 1990’s era 3.5" disk I still possess btw, 'cause, Classics…) and is eagerly willing to spend spousally-unjustifiable amounts (but then, I’m not married anymore) on FS related stuff…

For the time being, this old-timer is sticking to X-Plane and DCS; Both of which are openly acknowledged by their directly-communicative makers as forever Works In Progress™
(which is totally fine, unlike…)

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This whole Let’s Act Professional™ (and never EVER communicate as normal people do) attitude that Asobo displays, leaves just about zero room for lost customer confidence to ever grow back

You had lost me over the chronic “Metar Bubbles” problem more than a year ago. For now, my confidence has NOT AT ALL improved with news of recent developments concerning this new release.

As far as it shows, to a keenly interested user who’s kept up with stuff; (even if just to find out if it’d ever be worth the hassle again) - There is naught to dissuade from the opinion that MSFS will likely never really make it beyond becoming another “Microsoft Flight”, or “KSP2” style debacle.

I’d so very much LOVE to be proven wrong on this…

…But nowadays, that’s mostly because a large chunk of the FS industry is still hanging on, and has yet to become convinced that their efforts would be better supported by a different platform. Namely, you know, one that has an X in it’s name somewhere…

If/when the bigger addon devs start to accept that things are really going as poorly as they seem, then well; There won’t be any reason to “hope” anymore, given how a full product replacement with then be available without most of the (not few) MSFS drawbacks.

I’ve already managed to make XP12 scenery look as good, and at times better, than MSFS generally does. (minus the photogrammetry, which really doesn’t add all THAT much, in the grand scheme of things)

The only big selling point Asobo’s “sim” still holds, is the large support of very big 3rd party names, like A2A, PMDG… uhm, HiFi (wink-wink, nudge-nudge) and such propping it up…

When they go, so do I.
Forever, that is. No more checking in periodically to see if by some miracle it “got gud” while I was away and might be worthy of renewed attention.

This is not about “I paid like 60 bucks or so, and now I’m teenagely self-entitled to the immediate satisfaction I paid for with all my saved up lunch money!” demands*. In fact, I have NOT paid yet. Mostly because of stuff repeatedly stated in this thread, and many like it.

*not to dismiss those, mind. I was a teen once myself, though gladly, I eventually got better

FlightSims aren’t “casual passtimes”, but first and foremost, Hobby-Level commitments one makes, often with far more than “just a little” enthusiasm. You can’t just treat it like some videogame or other

Even if so. The “casual gamer” audience is but a fickle corporate myth; Not represented by most real individuals, but existing as a statistical average of some lowest-common-denominator gamer pseudo-type; Which can only be held onto by heavy spending on overt marketing and a masochistic willingness to continuously cater to (or perish by) the aforementioned demands.

For now, as a member of the the Old, Die-Hard, Flight Sims Forever crowd, I see nothing here to warrant any new interest. Only what looks like Infinite Problems™ as the main selling point…

< /rant >

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Unfortunately today I was flying in Canada and saw a lit of METAR bubbles, who of course are well visible from the world map too

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Ultra settings for clouds here. They looked like absolute garbage tonight.

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Not going to lie this is the best weather depiction I have seen so far since SU7. And this is Mid level/Cirrus cloud. First time I have seen it render overcast with those type of clouds. This is in the Aussie outback so no metar stations nearby. But I think they may have done something server side.

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Yes, unfortunately it is not always - but it seems to depend on the time - sometimes very good but then again not to determine !

Yes it’s probably still like that - but something has changed in any case, had a continuous high cloud cover in EDDF yesterday - not seen since su 7

And yes, at night the clouds, especially in moonlight, don’t really look nice. Also most of them are transparent because there is simply a lack of density ! Unfortunately this is the result of the complaints that the clouds are very pixelated !
I have already reported this at MSFS2020 !

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I can’t quite figure it out (as always since SU6) - now there were a few days where I thought to myself - something has changed

  • and the last 2 flights again only this METAR based staff, not a single stratus cloud and metar bubbles and exclusively these small (FSX style) “doughnut” clouds - it slowly seems to me as if they change the display method depending on the “prime time” or server load.

Or was that just a random thing !
Actually I would just like an honest explanation of how and which (when) method is used to visualise the weather !

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It is very strange! The depictions I was getting today were really good!

The good depiction I think is plagued by too many data and server bugs which make it really difficult to determine what the actual issues are.

Today for example again, loads of cloud cover is missing over the UK but you can clearly see on the world map straight lines in the clouds were the data just stops injecting.

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Today it’s even completely incorrect on the world map:

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Is it possible that these are server-side transmission delays?

Everything is possible - maybe there is this formula ‘if no data use this (whatever)’ or presets are simply used - that’s why everything often looks the same - i.e. the same ‘calculation’ is always used ! As I said - a few of us have been puzzling since SU6 :slight_smile: !

And today the clouds look fantastic again and accurate!

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And literally 5 minutes later it looks an inaccurate mess again.

And now 5 minutes after that all the clouds have been removed.

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Almost as good as Pre SU7

Something is definitely going on server side! My depictions for part of today were rubbish. Then other times it was so breathtaking to look at!

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