With 2020, in order to fully address ATC, Jorg and Asobo said there would have to be other things improved first. There would have to be reliable air traffic. There would have to be reliable weather. There would have to be reliable airports. All of these were prerequisites to address ATC effectively.
The have worked on model matching for 2024. They have worked on reliable air traffic. They have worked on real liveries. They have worked on better weather. They have fixed windsocks.
So now, Jorg has said there are two developers which have different ATC solutions. He said in one of the interviews a couple weeks ago they will evaluate those solutions. It wont be day 1, but I expect in around a year or so, that one of those solutions will be incorporated in the base sim itself. People may be not happy with that timing, but keep in mind, both these ATC solutions have really come into their own in the last 6 months. That was way too late to be considered, because they both have evolved quite a bit over those 6 months.
Oh man!! these post are a very accurate manifestation of today’s times. Most of times it is criticism (not constructive kind), complaints, trying to take things down… it is soooo draining. People really need to take a chill pill.
There as a time I used to enjoy going through the forums but now I am not that sure.
I interpreted what Jorg said a little differently. It’s my understanding neither Say Intentions or Beyond ATC work with AI traffic, which is required. With that in mind, Jorg knows about them and said he’s going to investigate how their technology might be useful to Asobo, but I think that’s about as far as he meant in what he said.
Asobo/WT, however, are working on ATC improvements on their own. And the guy who’s heading it up is going to be talking in one of the Q&A’s coming up.
Yeah they do. They have implemented CFD and have been improving the flight model, they’re improving the weather engine, they’ve partnered with aircraft devs and added good aircraft to the default fleet, they’ve hired working title who’s working on multiple simulation aspects like avionics, flight planning, ATC etc. And there’s more coming in the new version.
The new ground system in 2024 isn’t just eye candy, it impacts on taking off and landing, and it’s not important just for the bush pilots, if you’re an airliner and get out of the runway for whatever reason, you will have a problem. Also the new water reacting to the wind, it’s important for hydroplanes.
I mean, they’ve made improvements in those 4 years, and the 2024 is going in the right direction. It makes no sense what you are saying.
Odd response. The training on FSX is excellent (the chap does tell awful Dad jokes …) but it’s vastly superior to MSFS2020 default (though FSAcademy stuff is pretty good). You could actually learn to fly (in a sim, obvs) on it. The main problem with it (which may be inherited by 2020, looking at FSAcademy) is if it gets out of sync you can’t get it back in sync.
There is also training/mission support in FSX, in the sense that many of the missions are proper practice flights of various types rather than fun things like firefighting (say). There was a flight from Edinburgh to Glasgow in the UK in a light passenger jet I think, which was done ‘properly’.
No it’s not. FSX training was worse. Maybe because of the tech back then, but their visual tools weren’t great.
One simulator that had the best training program by default was FSW by Dovetail. But unfortunately it didn’t cover everything because the sim died before they implemented other aircraft like airliners.
For example the post you seem to be replying to praises FSX’s training and missions and the training products for FSAcademy. It does contrast it with the training for MSFS2020 which is prettier but nowhere near as good, and of course it has no real missions at all, just some sort of pre-designed route following stuff.
If you’d followed me you’d have noticed someone asked “why do you even bother with MSFS” or something like that, and I said because it’s potentially a great simulator, which it is. It just needs work and some kind of QC (e.g. the Boeing 707 should not have been released).
I criticise the obvious defects in MSFS which either go unfixed or are barely fixed, and Microsoft’s general conduct over the years. Which is very consistent.
Most developers loathe Microsoft, despite the quality of their dev tools (like the hardware, their dev tools are excellent) because they do not trust them.
Actually it’s still in use in many places. You’d be surprised. But yes, it’s not a standard any more. It’s got it’s new evil brother , Edge, which supposedly “enhances security” and continually nags you to use it, and you can’t easily get rid of it (you can set the default browser but it sneaks back for other pages regularly).
Microsoft, honest as ever, claimed Edge couldn’t be removed because without a browser how would you install software ? Which kind of ignores the existence of the Store, and the much better independent products like Chocolatey.
I agree it looks worse and Rod Machado’s jokes are truly appalling, but as actual training content it’s so far ahead of FS2020 that it’s laughable. Especially if you read the associated documentation (something else missing, as is my #1 bete noire, no Logging. It’s almost impossible to help people when FS2020 doesn’t work).
Though OTOMH I think it was lifted more or less entirely from FS2004.
Though I would say the FSAcademy training packages are very good, on a par, though they are slightly different.
I loved the flight lessons in FSX. You could actually learn to fly an airliner from them*, they taught you about things like how to properly use constant speed props, there was a ground school component with pages that had simple explanations of aerodynamic principles and concepts, it was brilliant.
I was absolutely shocked when I saw how pitiful FS2020’s tutorial content was by comparison. The aircraft can do so much more, and you’re just left to guess or look up Youtube videos which TBH have about as much reliability as Wikipedia or skip crucial stuff.
FSX’s lessons weren’t lifted completely from FS2004, because I recall that version’s lessons were quite frustrating. For example, if you were at the wrong height, it wouldn’t tell you if you were too high or low, it would just bark “WATCH YOUR ALTITUDE” endlessly, which was useless if you couldn’t remember what your altitude was meant to be (it was usually mentioned once at the beginning and then never indicated again).
I really hope FS2024 has learned from this.
*With one exception, they didn’t mention ANYTHING about the FMC. But if you were able to fly the aircraft using headings and VORs, which it did teach you, then that wasn’t a problem.
