A2A Aerostar vs Black Square Baron - Help me decide

Wow, that is heavy critisism! Just for an additional tablet and no passenger? What about the in depth systems built in, the hours and hours of development someone has put in. And a 3 plane offer is reallly generous considering how much of someone’s working life they have spent building these. All planes get released with issues and in some cases the dev will fix them.

Sorry, but I feel your critique is too harsh and unwarrented.

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The dukes were built for 2020 and they work very well in 2020.

Asobo could have skipped the level of difficulty in trying to have backwards compatibility if they had so wished. What they did was pretty amazing albeit a few bugs, but with the difficulty in adding backwards compatibility to a brand new program and have everything work as well as it does is pretty amazing. I am sure the bugs will get worked out over time.

It’s not a critique; it’s simply rage-bait and totally nonsensical in my opinion. Actually i find it quite offensive.

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I’ve had the Dukes for a while now and like them as much now as I did when I first got them.

I got the Aerostar last week and in all honesty it’s not got the same special qualities as their Comanche (which I think is my absolute favourite in the game, if I had to choose!). Can’t quite put my finger on it, but I do keep flying the Aerostar and must admit it’s slowly growing on me.

Somehow misread your title! I’m on Xbox so don’t have access to the Baron yet - but am anticipating it to be the same or better quality as the Dukes, Starship and TBM. So I will report back once Xbox users have access and the Bonanza and Baron are in my hanger!

Aerostar for me - feels very immersive and realistic to fly and the all round visibility is fantastic…

That’s really interesting. I get that feeling in the Comanche, absolutely fantastic plane. I expected the Aerostar to give me the same buzz, but it doesn’t.

Will keep trying with it though. Sometimes it just takes time!

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What are you talking about? The Dukes have received a native upgrade a few weeks back and work perfectly fine in FS2024. Even before the update they worked without any noticable issues.

What?! His claim to fame is excellent and highly complex simulation of the aircraft. The EFB to visualize the inner workings is just the icing on the cake. These aircraft don’t need set dressing like passenger models. When I fly the last thing I look at are the passengers.

What?! The failure system in these aircraft is based on mismanagement of the aicraft and realistic wear and tear. This is nothing like MSFS’s failure system where you can only trigger faults manually or with a timer …

Geez, I wonder if I just fell for rage bait or if you are serious …

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Nonsense. Fill up a whole plane of them in an airliner like the Fenix, and it’s a non-issue.

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Are you saying that animated passengers don’t consume computer resources?

What I am saying is that they don’t consume that much in terms of resources at all.

For another example, fill up the Comanche with 3 passengers and it doesn’t make a lick of difference in how the game runs.

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Is that true for Xbox and less-capable computers?
I honestly don’t know.

According to an article I read from Mathijs Kok, passenger implementation impact is next to negligible on performance.

What are you talking about? The dukes work great in 24, they are all I flew before the current bundle. The only issue I have in the beta is the state saving is a bit wonky. Same as the new bundle. Your criticism is way out there.

Hello Folks,

my Opinion is if you wish the Engines left and right near you get the Baron or the Duke (less Sight left and right). If you like more Freedom left and right get the Aerostar (Engines behind you). I have all three Planes and i have similar Hours on it. Systemwise i call it even.

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That’s surprising. But I can accept it.
I suppose compared to things like CFD it makes sense that it’s not a biggie.

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For me the choice boils down to:
In favor of the Baron: More modern, all weather (wing deicing boots), and more aesthetically pleasing
In favor of the Aerostar: Way more character and superior persistent state and sense of ownership, crazy fast and for me has the edge in flight model too.

I don’t know if that helps you choose because it doesn’t really help me pick between them, but maybe you value something I listed and that helps push you over the edge.

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Both planes offer great simulation, depth and a great flight model.

But if you want to really see where you are going while you fly GA, get the 600 - there is no contest with the 600 having awesome out the window views because the engines are farther back vs the Baron where you are staring at a cowling. I have that in the Dukes.

In the Baron, I can see where I’m going and see the cowling. Best of both worlds. I guess with the Aerostar you can see the dirt on the front of the cowling, if that floats your boat.

Has the op decided yet, do we know?

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Like me, you will probably just end up with BOTH

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I would never choose the Aerostar for real and quite the opposite is true for the Baron.

The Baron is a pilots aircraft and a real pleasure to fly, has the best one engine inoperative performance in its class and has a much better safety record in numbers - I would take my family and loved ones in it any day.
Beechcraft airplanes are just so stable and joy to fly- in terms of pure handling, it does not matter if it is the Baron or a King Air.

The Aerostar, although fast, was actually a failure and there is a reason why they are no longer being produced.

For all those reasons, I have zero motivation to even try fly it in the Sim. :wink:

It is a bit sad that A2A made such poor choices in aircraft - the Comanche is also a bit of a duck in its class tbh.