instead of all arguing, why dont we wait and see.
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The question remains, how to operate an airliner with just an x-box controller?
I’ll give it a go later
Well I doubt you will be able to, unless the dev’s introduce some kind of Controller based mouse overlay, or they support KB&M for the game. or the yokes have some kind of controller. I just know as a PC only user I dont want to be affected by this, or have to pay more for add-ons for the extra work to support consoles. On the other hand I want all the benefits, and I say this with no shame, as I never asked for it to go to console!
Why is everyone expecting them not to? There is no reason to assume the won’t allow Keyboard&Mouse for MSFS on XBox.
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It’s not fortunate or unfortunate. All products have people that see things in a different way. If developers’ cave, then the problem is with the developers. It’s not with those who complain, nor it’s with the sim, nor with the fact that MSFS is trying (successfully) to open the hobby to new people.
The fact that MSFS is opening to new adience is absolutely a net positive. This hobby has been stuck into a fossilized, cranky, elitist niche for way too long, and it has certainly suffered from it. The stifling atmosphere in this very forum is most definitely a byproduct of that.
This community has become so allergic to any new ideas that medieval reenactors are more open to innovation at this point.
Honestly, if we can finally get some new blood (which is also a breath of fresh air for add-on devs, which were used to have to work with crazy low margins on simulators by developers that have never cared to create a healthy market) I’m fine with some griping about the flaps. I’ve read much worse takes by so-called “veteran simmers” in this forum.
It’s the developers’ job to chart their course and dismiss unreasonable demands. If they don’t, it’s on them.
What a silly and superficial take take. A console is nothing more than a computer packaged in a different way. I’ll never need to play on anything else than a PC, but this kind of takes is absolutely irrational and a clear example of the cranky and backward attitude I mentioned above.
Incidentally, quite a few people here don’t seem to know that Xbox consoles have full keyboard and mouse support, while multiple peripheral manufacturers have already announced yokes/sticks/pedals and such.
If there’s one thing Xbox players won’t have an issue with, is finding control options.
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Don’t be a “there is only my way” guy.
Paul, I will tell you that as a business owner, I FULLY subscribe to the “there is only my way” philosophy. Granted, I am not trying at all to appeal to the WIDEST clientele possible - because I recognize that you can’t please everyone. So I’d rather go after pleasing the people I KNOW I can please.
I will not mention boring details or specifics of what I do, but I have long heard “suggestions”, “wishes”, and straight-out complaints about me NOT offering something. My resolve remains. I will NOT offer that which I don’t like or agree with, because at the end of the day, I am providing an experience. If that SOMETHING you want will, in my opinion, interfere with the experience I am striving to provide, I will NOT be offering it. And sometimes those things that are being asked for are pretty widespread things in other similar businesses. Popular things. But I don’t DO popular. I do the best I possibly can and I don’t cut corners, and I believe you won’t find anything else like it out there. If what you are asking for isn’t included in MY VISION of what I am striving to provide, you are more than welcome to go to those “other” places.
Development CAN be like that as well. “I develop things the way I see fit. It’s MY vision of what this product is, and if you don’t like it, you don’t have to buy it, but I am NOT sacrificing my vision for what I believe is a substandard concept.”
I think a lot is to be said for the ARTISTIC INTEGRITY concept. Like for a musician, or a Chef. If you go to a restaurant that only offers tasting menus for $150/person and start asking for a-la-carte dishes, the Chef will probably look at you funny and walk away. I value this concept A LOT. I think more people should live by it. NOT EVERYTHING IS MEANT TO BE FOR EVERYONE. I am totally OK with that. 
That’s how great things are achieved.
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There is when its never been allowed for FPS, or almost any other title.
Then complain to the developers that don’t subscribe to that philosophy, not about the fact that someone dares to have a different idea compared to yours.
And if they don’t agree, it’s their product and their artistic integrity. They decide what to do with it.
What a product is for (everyone or not) is for its creators to decide.
Some will go the PMDG way, and some will go the Carenado way. There will always be options.
Oh, I absolutely agree with everything you said in this post and one above.
Because it gives you an advantage in competitive games. Which doesn’t apply for MSFS. There is no reason (neither technical nor functional) to block K&M.
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I think what he means is that, all joking aside about planes not having ‘mice’, they do have lots and lots of switches and buttons. The mouse facilitates the switching of said buttons and switches.
How about they stick a big fat ‘REQUIRES KEYBOARD AND MOUSE’ label all over the sim and it’s advertising? They make it absolutely clear that for the best experience and functionality, a KB & Mouse combo is required. It’s there in the PC version specs.
There are keyboard and mouse combos for the Series X already on the market. Here you go:
Best Keyboards for Xbox Series X, Xbox Series S 2021 | Windows Central
As of the end of January, there was 36 games with KB & Mouse support for Series X, including a lot of these pesky kids shooter games (Call of Duty + Fortnite to name two) and the list is just getting bigger. (Source: WindowsCentral)
These consoles are becoming more mainstream in line with PC’s and cross play functionality, so the days of console + gamepad crack on is in the past.
Never wise to throw stones in glass houses
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Developers themselves decide to allow or disallow peripherals, as they provide a competitive advantage over other players in competitive multiplayer.
Games that have allowed players with Kb/m to play against those with controllers (they exist) have never been received well by their communities, for obvious reasons, and have often reversed that decision.
You know what doesn’t have competitive multiplayer?
Microsoft Flight Simulator.
I couldn’t agree more. People will believe what they want to believe despite the facts. And the argument that this sim has been dumbed down in PC because of console gamers baffles me. Jorg has said a 100 times that this is not the case and yet people aren’t convinced.
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What about load managers etc? What about things like the A32NX Installer etc? Its just a simple thing.
Try flying over mountains with any form of wind in MSFS and try doing so on P3D and Xplane. You’ll see which one (s) is “dumbed down.” 
I sincerely hope you are not going to try and play that one? Because we know that’s not simulated.
Here we are, in a thread about developers caving to a minority of users who want things simplified to the extreme, and a lot of people assume that XBox users will all simply accept that their XBox controller is not enough to play the game. It will not go down as easily. There will be backlash from people demanding that the interface be simplified, that the planes be simplified, that why must they absolutely mess around with the 747 FMS and MCP to get it to do things etc. What will happen then? Will Asobo cave or not?
Never said there aren’t any. I just said that the vast majority of XBox users don’t have one.
Then perhaps you would like to point to exactly where i started lying about what someone else was saying.
Load managers are completely unnecessary when there’s the marketplace, and the A32NX will be on the marketplace.
Obviously, Xbox players won’t have access to mods that aren’t distributed on the marketplace, but I don’t exactly see how that should concern us.
I’d rather have an effect that’s at times a bit overblown that a relevant effect that is not there. If you think not having it is more realistic that having it as we do, then you know nothing of flying over terrain.