Always had Great Performance, Till I removed GPU from system

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Are you using Developer Mode or made changes in it?

Nope

Have you disabled/removed all your mods and addons?

Nope - I left it as I always do.

Brief description of the issue:

Getting bad performance after I had to remove GPU from my system to get to the M.2 Drive slot. I had the card back and then had RGB error and now ā€œarmoury crateā€ wonā€™t detect it. Anyway, Iā€™m not fussed about the lights XD. So, loaded the simulator and noticed that my FPS is lower and stuttering so badly. Itā€™s always been fine with FPS at 35 and locked and always been stable - Now Itā€™s not stable and so bad. Flying at FL350 in the 738 getting 20FPS and before I had 35FPSā€¦ I did a full driver install and still bad performance

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Detailed steps to reproduce the issue encountered:

Running as normal, with all mods in the community folder
clean install the drivers
setting it to LOW settings and yet still bad FPS, I get 25FPS on Low or the same FPS on High settings, weird. So 100% my GPU is at all the time now, before I had been at 80% to 90% in cockpit

PC specs and/or peripheral set up if relevant:

Processor: Intel Core i7-10700K @ 5.2GHz
GPU: Asus GTX Strix 1660TI
mem: 32GB

Build Version # when you first started experiencing this issue:

1.27.21.0

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The fact that you get issues not only in MSFS but with other applications as well (armory crate) is a strong hint, that this is hardware related.

Best case would be, that you didnt plug in the card good enough. Rwmoving and re-inswrting it might help.

Second best guess is, that you allrwady been underpowered and with adding the new storage, your GPU is no longer getting enough juice to operate properly. What is your PSU?

Worst possible cause i can think of: either the Slot or the pins on card got damaged while taking out or putting back in and either your mainboars or your GPU might need to be replaced.

But what I can twll for sure, when other Apps are effected as well: it is not caused by MSFS

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Sheā€™s in there alright, I got (armory crate) working again, and the lights are glowing I just had to reinstall the drivers for (armory crate) to able to detect it. Thatā€™s resolved.

Just testing around, I noticed some things so farā€¦

  • Desktop Windows manager is running the GPU high, thatā€™s with nothing running,

  • removed the community folder and FPS boosted more as I did expect however, So need to rethink what addons are making it heavy as I did do two updates over the weekend.

  • What I have done so far, Turn on Optimisation for windows games thatā€™s in Windows 11 and also turn HAGS back on again, I know that people say having it off makes it better but I thought I turn it on and also turn it off variable refresh rate option runner HAGS.

Seems that community folder addons arenā€™t at fault as I have added them all back and also IVAO model mating (MTL) isnā€™t at fault even though had an update todayā€¦

Loaded at EGNX in the 737-800 with same aircraft AI and so far holding 32FPS (Locked) and GPU at 54% max inside the aircraft and around 77% outside

So, Turning of HAGS is something I have not done if FPS stays the same or worseā€¦?

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the quick answer re: HAGSā€¦ no one knows. Try it, but donā€™t hold your breath.

Iā€™ve tried researching this left and right and canā€™t find any official reviews/stats that HAGS doesnā€™t help or does help.

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My guess is Windows has deleted the inf and updated to their default Nvidia driver. DDU and reinstall required. Also a bios setting might have changed.

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This could be a tricky one, or just some simple setting overlooked.
Therefore a few checkupā€™s.

  • Is your Asus GTX Strix 1660TI recognized as your main GPU? Worth checking because some Motherboards (mine) tend to change to the internal / on-board GPU as primary GPU after changing- or adding new hardware. This must then be changed in the BIOS.
  • Do you run other games in which you can check or your correct GPU is detected / used?
  • Could you provide us with your HW settings, and Nvidia settings?

Hope youā€™ll be back up there asap

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Yup people forget that although their PC is unplugged there is still enough juice in the cmos battery to detect hardware changes.

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Thatā€™s my first power of all things that I did, And all went fine. Even armory crate detected it and so RBG works.

There is no on-board GPU, and the system have detected the GPU.

Seems so far other games working fine, I played CSGO and I have full FPS in game

I was able to get the sim going at full 32 FPS (Locked) and the weird part, when I did a test stream with OBS running, the full GPU was maxing out at around 85% usage and yet getting only 20% to 25% FPS in simā€¦ That#s with HAGS on at the timeā€¦

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I suggest you go ā€˜vanillaā€™ first. This also means disabling all the programs that startup automatically.

I wouldnā€™t advice running any tests until you know what causes the problem.

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vanilla or not, itā€™s the same without and in :wink: The simulator seems to be able to hold stable around 31FPS now as itā€™s locked at that point punch Xd

Now another problem that I have to deal with is that OBS is now using far more GPU than before and when it comes to streaming, itā€™s making MSFS drop down to 20FPS two days ago I had no problems running and streaming with the same settings and always had 30FPS in-game, so in the last 24 hours since I had to remove GPU to get to my M.2 slot itā€™s changed.

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Reinstall OBS and Nvidia, do not save settings.

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Already ahve done a clean still of drivers, I mention that already

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Since the last change you made before the FPS drop was accessing the M2 slot. (Install?, remove? Replace?) If you installed something, remove it and put your GPU back in. Your FPS should return to what it was. If it doesnā€™t, then something got messed up with the removal and replacement of your GPU. If FPS returns to it was previously, then whatever you did to the M2 slot messed up your system.

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Have you ran GPU-z to ensure the gpu is running at 16x, maybe the m.2 is using the same lane and has the gpu at 8x?
Just a thought

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Maybe I am in the minority, but I always pull the CMOS battery any time I remove or reinstall hardware on the motherboard. A reset BIOS and fresh component handshakes are a good way to avoid hardware conflicts like the ones you are describing.

Sure, you have to get back in and re-enable things like XMP, resizeable BAR, set your m.2 PCIe speeds and fan curves again, but hung settings in a confused BIOS config will have you chasing your tail, Googling blue screen crash codes, and removing and reinstalling drivers for hours, with little to no improvement.

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Oh sorry. I didnt know OBS was a driver, what was I thinking! :roll_eyes:

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Check your BIOS configuration. I have two NVMe drives and I remember having to change something in the BIOS or the 2nd M2 drive wasnā€™t detected. I know this was with drives, but maybe changing your M2 to a different slot, if you have one, may fix the problems.

Like someone else mentioned, you could be having a PCIe lane or BIOS config problem.

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I have indeed checked and see itā€™s running as it should, maxing the card out (not overclocked the card) at what was built for.

Have not done anything in the BIOS and I have indeed checked and seems to be all normal and fine, system is in place and in the right order. In fact, two software programs that control the lights and fan speed detected the GPU anyway and works.

Will double check again

Yet other games seem to have no problems at all. I was at WSSS airport on low to medium and the airport is payware and loaded it fine but as soon as I start getting things open and start it went down and down. meanwhile, the card is fully maxed out at 100% and never got to 30 FPS

Just how that MSFS is just doing this to me - and other games are running fine or if not better

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Just an update, Today I did a stream with MSFS and FPS was not normal and seems to be around 20 FPS even just over the water and not smooth.

It does help when using CPU to encode instead of using my GPU :slight_smile: that has helped as that has taken 10% off from using GPU load.

After more playing around, I turned DX12 on and noticed that there is far more performance and far more stable to point and saw that GPU load was at 0% XD As soon as OBS is on Sheā€™s going to 60%

As soon as I thought it was all good, Loaded in the PMDG 737 and itā€™s bad FPS :frowning: They spawn another aircraft using the devMod tool into a Cessna 152 and full FPS and smooth, then after 5mins itā€™s good back to bad FPS againā€¦

As thought I seen DX12 made a big different it does not