Anyone else still only 2020

Yeah, me, too. In anticipation of 2024, I stopped using 2020 in December, and haven’t installe 2024 yet. For now, I’m considering installing that soon after SU3 is released, but I’ll still find it difficult to find the time to get it set up, as I’m dreading configuring controllers

Interesting :thinking:. I wonder what you could infer/extrapolate from both that data and the Steam charts?

Remember that we still don’t see the whole picture.
We can see the Steam data (so usage by Steam PC users) or IVAO data (usage on a “hardcore simmers” network like VATSIM), but none of them include Xbox players for example.

That shows that the large majority of consumers prefer FS2020 over FS2024.

Why do you think that Xbox will fill in all that missing data :thinking:?

FS2024 has the same number of issues on Xbox as it does on PC. So, why shouldn’t Xbox’ers stay on FS2020?

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Because if casuals have MSFS2020 and MSFS2024 on gamepass, they will likely go to 2024. I GUESS (xD I don’t know, nobody here knows, only Asobo/MS knows)
I’m not trying to defend anything or justifying those numbers. I’m just saying that anyone looking at those numbers must take into account the context of the data.

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Let’s say you’re right, but what is in 2024 that is not in 2020 for Xbox? Aside from being an extra 100 bucks, I mean. There has to be a good reason for them to want to pay that much to “upgrade” sims when the old one works well.

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A330, A321, A400,… many MSFS2024 default exclusive aircraft.
EFB
Flight Planner with charts (I don’t think they will use it (i’m talking about random casuals) but we don’t know xD)
A little better graphics and illumination
Challenge League
Career mode
etc… etc…

I don’t want to sound like I’m 100% with MSFS2024, I’m just answering your questions :sweat_smile:

EDIT: Also, if i’m correct both are on gamepass, so they don’t need to spend more money to play and I’m talking about MAYBE that players filll the gap
Again I DON’T KNOW, WE DON’T KNOW xD I’m just answering questions

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I present to you, straight from their mouths: Anyone other Xbox users just fed up that 2024 is completely unplayable?

I find it mindblowing that MSobo is managing to tick off both the casuals and hardcore simmers. Usually, it’s one but not the other.

And you are correct, we are purely speculating and I apologize if this turned into an argument, that was not my intent :slight_smile:

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Xbox users hate it more to be honest, such a shame but the horrible anti aliasing and lack of freeware market at all means we end up paying for addons that just don’t work, a grand majority of the time. It feels like you have to pay so much extra just to get the bare minimum on Xbox but even then it’s never guaranteed you won’t just get CTDs because the Xbox just isn’t powerful enough

There’s so many other issues I could bring up but refuse to to keep my sanity

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Keeping a close eye on the progress as 2024 moves forward, but still haven’t installed it.

2020 rock solid.

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I tried FS2024 on Gamepass, because I was wary of shelling out for the whole cost of the game. I tried it, it didn’t perform as well as FS2020, so I went back to FS2020. Just because someone has Gamepass doesn’t mean they won’t revert back to playing the older sim.

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Exactly.I trialled it on gamepass.2 weeks late I cancelled it.

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Now im nowhere allready… and preparing to abandon this stuff all together… :smirking_face: Just bought new gf glider on fs20 xbxx - CTD after CTD :person_facepalming::person_facepalming::person_facepalming:

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So you have 2020 bought and just tried 2024 on gamepass?
You are not the kind of target I’m refering to then (no ofense xD)
I’m TEORICING (not trying to say this is what is happening or make my point as the valid one) that MAYBE there are enough casual players (players who don’t own either 2020 nor 2024, and they don’t even care about the forums, they just want to play sometime) that fill the gap to 2020 so the “2024 has more players than 2020” makes sense.

Why I Have Returned to MSFS 2020 After Giving 2024 a Real Shot - It is well documented that when MSFS 2024 was released, I was openly skeptical and critical of what it brought to the table. You can check my forum activity and see that I pointed out many of its flaws. But eventually, I decided to give it a fair chance. I made the switch and spent several months flying in 2024 exclusively.

And honestly, it was not all bad.

There were some things I really enjoyed. The visual improvements, especially in the evening hours with the twinkling lights, better clouds, and the overall lighting and atmosphere made for some very immersive flights. I genuinely wanted to embrace the future of the platform.

But now I am back on 2020. Why?

Third Party Compatibility, or Lack of It
One of the biggest reasons is the lack of consistent compatibility with the add-ons I purchased for 2020. We were told the transition would be simple, but in reality that has not been the case. If a developer did not put in the effort to support 2024, then you are left hoping it will just work. Most of the time it does, kind of, but not without issues.

I have seen performance drops, visual bugs, stutters, and a general lack of polish in a lot of ported content. Outside of a few top-tier developers like FlightBeam, most of the scenery I have tried feels unoptimized and rushed. Of all the payware I owned for 2020, maybe 65 percent of it made it into 2024, and of that, only half works as expected.

Aircraft Availability
Yes, some of the aircraft are slowly becoming available again, but it is not happening fast enough. Too many developers are delayed, and the wait has become frustrating. I know someone will say to be patient, but the truth is, I already have a perfectly functional simulator in 2020. I do not see the point in waiting around for things I already paid for and already had working.

The User Interface
Let us talk about the UI. There was a great post on this forum several months ago that perfectly summed it up. The interface in 2024 feels like a major step backward. With the exception of aircraft keeping their control profiles when selected, almost everything else is more clunky, slower, and more frustrating. Since Sim Update 2, it has become even worse. It now takes ten minutes to get a plane set up because of lag and the constant spinning wheel when trying to adjust controls. It is a frustrating experience every time I want to fly something new.

So Why Return to 2020?
Because it works.
Because it is stable.
Because I know what to expect.
And honestly, because I am tired of trying to force myself to enjoy something that just does not meet my needs.

This post is not intended to change anyone’s mind. If 2024 works well for you, that is great. But for me, it fell short. Maybe that will change with the next sim update. Or the one after that. Or the one after that. But I am not going to sit around waiting and hoping while patches continue to stack up and support for third party content continues to drag.

For now, 2020 gives me everything I want out of a sim. Maybe the Queen from PMDG will be the thing that finally pulls me back to 2024. But until that happens, I am staying right here.

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Not trying yet since my bandwidth is below 50Mbit/s!!

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Still here on 2020. When 2024 first launched, I said I’d give it 6 months at a minimum to stabilize. I am revising that to one year since launch before I take another hard look at switching. Right now, 2020 is the most stable and smooth I have ever seen it in VR. I can fly single engine piston (JF Arrow), twins (414, BS King Air), turboprops (BS TBM) and airliners (Fenix, PMDG NGs) all perfectly smooth in VR while on VATSIM with zero issues. Sim looks great and performs great.

From what I have seen, there is still zero compelling reason for me to move to 2024. I don’t care at all about a career mode. I still read about issues with performance (in VR and otherwise) with 2024. Certain aircraft still don’t work well in 2024… so why move?

For now, I’ll sit tight, enjoy 2020 and take another look at buying and moving to 2024 in several months if the reports on this forum and elsewhere are more positive.

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It’s really important to me to be able to use Flight Simulator for real world practice, such as for Simventure, simulating the Fisk Arrival to Oshkosh on PilotEdge. This was the first Simventure since 2024 was released, and I was pretty apprehensive about using it for this purpose, and using a beta build of SU3 no less, so I was ready to reinstall 2020 on short notice.

I’m happy to report that not only did it work pretty much flawlessly, even with several required third-party add-ons, but the experience was better than 2020. The ground textures, color rendition, and lighting are markedly improved in 2024, important factors for VFR navigation during an event like this, which is done entirely by visuals using pilotage. 2020 had a nasty green tint, low res sat imagery in parts of central WI, muddy colored photogrammetry, and was too dark on the ground in places.

You might also think “3D trees” are just superfluous eye candy, but when you’re doing a low, short approach right over the treetops, it really makes a big difference having actual, realistic looking objects instead of transparent billboard sprites.

There was even less of a stutter. 2020 would always hang for over a second or two coming into Ripon as it loaded in the OSH scenery, and while this was still present in 2024, it was a much shorter hiccup. No crashes at all during the three day massive multiplayer event.

No reason to go back to 2020 for VFR GA.

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I’m at 40 max (normally 30-35) over wireless internet and 2024 works fine.