Bring down the forum clutter please

More than half of posts in the forum are about subjects that already is on the “Known issues” list and render the forum unuseable.

To help with this please put a POP-UP when entering the forum or when posting a new post telling “CHECK THE KNOWN ISSUES BEFORE POSTING” - I know we can’t fix stupid but at least we can try. ,)

The clutter of the forum is killing me. I like to read and also help where i can but the clutter just makes me thinking to just drop the forum all together.

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Getting to the point where I cannot be bothered to help those people who seem unable or unwilling to do some really basic things like have a quick look for existing information.

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There is a search function with options to filter. Very comfortable.

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You’re 100% right but the people you want to reach won’t read this thread… :roll_eyes:

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@RealSei PS. I’m not rolling my eyes at you. I just realized it could be read that way.

I did not perceive it as such. I think it is a funny (and true) remark.

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People need to vent their frustrations. General Discussion and Feedback sub section is designed exactly for that. Everybody is allowed to give their feedback, what ever way they choose, as long as it is with in the forum rules. Last time I checked, complaining and ranting, is not against any forum rule. If it was against the rules, your post of whining about them will also be considered such.

If these kind of posts bother you, simply don’t read them. If some of the forum users are being repeatedly irritating in your opinion, add the to your ignore list. They’ll be hidden and your precious forum page will look less cluttered.

My only suggestion to forum developers would be adding flexible ignore lists :slight_smile: I find it interesting that, many people that constantly complain, or forum bullies that try to dismiss any criticism and complaint, are most annoying in this section. Most of those people, my self included, act more mature and constructive in other sub sections, especially when it comes to helping others.

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Perhaps you could re-read the OP, as it isn’t focusing in on anything other than duplicate posts, which i think you’ll find the forum rules do discourage.

I understand that the current environment in the forum has turned a little toxic, but I read this thread as a perfectly reasonable request for people to check that their topic hasn’t already been covered and maybe even answered, before posting the same question.

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No I perfectly understand his point. But most of the posts related with ‘known issues’ here are not bug reports or feature suggestions by intend. They are simply reflections of the posters frustrations. And this is the right place for that. There are moderators who merge posts when they see fit. We don’t need self appointed ones.

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Even if I do agree with your demand, I don’t think it’s possible. Microsoft did not sell 10 copies of MSFS :slightly_smiling_face:
More sells, more problems, more problems more angry peoples, you get the idea.

And people with problems need a way to let go some of the frustration. We can surely understand that.

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Please consider the OP as being exactly that, as well. I know exactly where @RealSei were coming from because I stopped this short of posting that very thing about 20 times in the past few days, roughly at every tenth new “A320 engine 1” thread.

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Did you know the a320 engine turns off if you turn the apu off? Sorry couldn’t resist. :crazy_face:

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You better make a zendesk report about it AND make a post in the forum too. :wink:

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They should leave this forum alone. I like the too-and-fro - and you’re right - if there’s any place to let rip with a good moan and whinge it’s surely here (regardless of how many times other people might have made the exact same point). I just skim past the posts I can’t be bothered with (as I’m sure most people do). But half the fun is deciding which topics to plunge into, tbh.

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Well, that I agree. Similar to my impulsive initial comment, I guess we all need to vent. General feedback section is quite successful acting as a lightning rod, attracting most of the negativity. At least, this way rest of the sections are more productive and relatively on topic.

At the end of the day; it does not matter which side of the debate each of us are, it all comes to how much satisfaction we get from the sim or the whole development journey. More we get satisfaction there, less we’re gonna spend time here.

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My reason for the post was to (hopefully) get some to read/search before posting, hence the title.

But thinking further and also by reading the civil and very good comments i can now see that the only thing i got/get out of it is, that i just got my frustration vented.

And that because most people just enter the forum, hit “Post new topic” and then post. So none of them would even know this(my) post even exist…! hmmm

I anyways sometime comment on the redundant posts and hope that at least the OP would do a search next time, and hopefully do that in any other forum here after. But it is hard not to get perceived as an angry man which i am not. I just want to help with anything i can, but it’s hard because of the clutter.

On a side-note i have more ‘quality’ on reddit about msfs2020, so i survive.

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No, people don’t need to vent their frustrations here. If you want to do that, go into the bathroom and do something nice for yourself. Being frustrated with something is like havng a nightmare. Unpleasant for you but of total disinterest to anyone else. See how long you can keep someone’s attention by telling them about your dreams. The post’s original author is 100 percent correct. Unless you have a constructive criticism to make (which is different from venting) go away and stop boring the rest of us.

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Exactly :slight_smile: Nice monologue dude!

Hi Everyone I want to clarify a few things.

Duplicate topics are a clear violation of the Code of Conduct, and while it is not something we are not likely to issue a formal warning for, there are some negative repercussions for the community when the forums get swamped with a dozen topics for one issue.

:small_blue_diamond: Creating Duplicate Threads
Forums can be a great platform for open discussions, and we want all the people interested in a topic to be able to engage with it in a meaningful way. One way to facilitate this is to use the search feature before creating a new thread. You can imagine what would happen to the forums if everyone created their own thread for every popular topic.

Generally speaking, it is less work for people to find the information they are looking for if it is in one place. More posts make the search results get messier, and of course, each title can only be used once so I’ve recently dealt with flags where we’ve had a topic with the title some thread title and then subsequent topics with the title some thread title 1 or some thread title !.

Further to that duplicate topics cause issues within the #self-service:bugs-issues and #self-service:wishlist subcategories. If an issue has more than one topic we run the risk that the votes will be split and this reduces the chance that the issue will climb the ‘top votes’ filter.

Even if one of the threads rises up and gets noticed, there is the potential for useful comments and discussions to get lost in the other thread which probably hasn’t received as many votes.

The moderator team works hard to merge duplicate topics, but when we do this, votes are lost, this is a limitation of the forum software and there isn’t anything we can do about it.

Furthermore, we have 10 moderators, each one is a paying customer who also volunteers to help out, many have full-time jobs and families and can’t dedicate piles of time to the forums. Compare the small number of volunteers to the large number of posts in a given day (6,597 on the 17th), we do get swamped.


Moving away from duplicate topics, I saw a user asked for better muting options. Discourse is open-source software, you can go to their forums https://meta.discourse.org or their GitHub repo to make suggestions, or if you are a Ruby developer you can contribute to their repo.

The forums do ship with good notification filters. You can ‘Mute’ categories, users and tags. You can find these settings by clicking on your profile picture on the navbar, clicking the cog and clicking on preferences.
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My big plea to users is that you use the search function before creating duplicate topics. In recent days I have seen 5-10+ topics on single issues, this will create issues. I am not suggesting users shouldn’t be allowed to voice their frustration or concern, I have no problem with them doing so so long as they stick within the Code of Conduct, and that goes for all users regardless of their opinions.

This. Grow up. It’s a computer game. Surely people have productive interests other than spouting juvenile vitriol on a forum. Or maybe that’s the new normal. Sad.

Go for a run. Volunteer at your local food bank. Read a book. Learn aviation procedures.

I’m sure MS/Asobo know everything that has gone wrong, and are working fervently to rectify it. Starting the 15th thread complaining about control sensitivity is just unnecessary.

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