[BUG/FEATURE] Cockpit Size and World Scale in VR

There is no need to over complicate things. In flyinside, there is a “world scale” slider that allow adjusting cockpit to whatever size you want. That tells me this is something can be done in MSFS VR also.

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Agreed! I play project cars 2 in VR and they have the same thing so that you can adjust the world scale so the steering wheel feels right, size wise. I wish we had the same slider in msfs!

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This really needs a bump and more attention. Using my Rift S all the cockpits are too small. My shoulders are sticking out of the doors and the ingame joysticks by example are miniature version. My seats are either way too high or too small, etc etc.

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I honestly hope this will get enough attention so that they change the list to “started”.

However there are other VR bugs and wishes topics with more votes than some of the ones listed in the VR dev snapshot, and they are still not considered at all.

For example, I’ve raised this a few days ago:
Discussion: March 25th, 2021 Development Update

I’ve also filled a Zendesk ticket in reference to this post and I’ve received an email today, telling me they have requalified this as “Feedback and Feature request”, which I understand as: this is being added in a list of customer wishes for “later” (later could be next week or in 5 years).

One way to interpret this is, according to the people running the Zendesk support system:

  • The most voted VR wishes and bugs should equate to the most problematic if not the most important ones for the customers.
  • There are VR specific wishes and bugs with more votes than those officially listed.
  • Customers are wanting to help in letting them know Asobo might have an incomplete picture of the most voted VR wishes and bugs.
  • Yet, raising awareness they are missing the most voted VR wishes and bugs in the official list, is “just” another customer wish in itself…

Maybe they just mean “feedback and feature request” is just the category it is put into because it couldn’t be put in “product bug”, or “product performance”, or “product hardware compatibility” etc… But the requalification to “feedback and feature request” doesn’t tell me that they find not listing the most voted bugs and wishes a problem at all?!


The following day:

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I don’t know about you guys but the A320 is soo messed up and oversized. Look at Xplane 11 and the 320s there those are perfect. Anyone agree?

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I got VR up and running for the first time this weekend and found the seat cushion was about level with my navel. Adjusting the seat to match up where it should be put my whole head outside the canopy. Adjusting the IPD didn’t make much difference, so I took my mini out flying anyway and pretended it was a convertible. It was an entertaining flight and pleased I didn’t get airsick (I looked at the quarter sized gauges a LOT at first). Hopefully they give us a scale issue fix soon. I’m currently using a Quest II.

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It looks about 80% size on quest 2 for some reason, I am on 68 IPD though.

Anyone noticed the Corsair is also way off on scale in vr?

I have felt for a while that I am too big when sitting in the JF piper arrow cockpit in VR, this is the same for the Robin DR400. The windows look smaller than they should and my shoulder sticks out. The scaling has nothing to do with the IPD this is set correctly for my eyes.

I have tested the scaling by parking the aircraft and getting out, when standing on the floor outside of the plane it is very clear that the view you are getting is wrong.

I fly these planes and I am used to the scale and size when it is next to me, in VR I am a giant that can look over the top of the plane this is not possible if the scale was correct.

I hope they can add a correction for this as it is spoiling the VR effect.

Using Reverb G2

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World looks roughly 80% of what it should be for me too. I’m also using a Reverb G2

@dogmanbird72 I’ve updated the 1st topic for clarity. Among other things, I find the G2 is displaying smaller images than the Index. This means even if the ICD/IPD is correct, the projection is not displaying the image with the same focal angle as what your eyes would perceive and therefore is making what you see smaller.

In the end, the chain of optical and software rendering calibrations must all fit together to recreate true to immersion. The software must render an image which is displaying on a small LCD panel, which image is then magnified by the lens before the light reaches your eye. In other words, the magnifying lens must fill the same FOV angle this image would be covering if seen at this size, and the software must render an image which would fill the equivalent FOV angle to match. This is supposed to be how every HMD is working, but in practice, I find the Index spot-on, the G2 not so (I haven’t tested the latest OXR 106.x and latest WMR released in April yet).

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I haven’t tested the Index, but the object sizes of the Rift S and the Reverb G2 are the same. For me the cockpits of the A320 and the 787-10 are way too large. All other default aircraft are spot-on! My IPD is 68mm.

I use the G2. For me, the Cesssna 182, TBM and CJR cockpits are sized correctly. I once tried the A320 and also found it to be too big.

Thank you for bringing some concrete science to the discussion. Too many people dismiss this issue as “You just don’t realize how small real planes are” - it’s not that. The entire world is too small to me. Mountains and cities appear like movie set replicas, and the cockpits feel like I’m in one of those fisher-price kiddie cars. I’m below-average height, but it’s just obvious to my brain’s perception that my legs physically wouldn’t fit inside the cockpit.

It also doesn’t help that people are confusing the ICM of the rendered “cameras” (which determine depth perception and scale) with the IPD of the lenses (which have almost nothing to do with depth perception and scale, just comfort and clarity).

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Couldn’t agree more. Scale is way off in this sim. Some of the cockpits appear about the right size in general, but then the yolk looks like it’s about 2" across. Other cockpits are so small that when I’m lined up with the yolk in front of me, half of my body is sticking outside the left window. In order to not have my head/body sticking out the window, I have to lean my head to the left (in real life) and “reset” my view so that when I lean back and sit straight up (in real life) I’m flying from the middle of the plane.

On the other hand, the airliner cockpits appear to be literally 4 or 5 times larger than they actually are. They have by far the biggest scale issues in the sim. When I’m lined up correctly with the seats in the airliners, the dashboard and/or throttles appear about 6 or 7 feet away from my body-- MUCH further than any human could reach-- it’s not even close.

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@CptLucky8
Thanks for your highly valuable posts and I am having the same issue. The world is just too small and totally immersion breaking. Flying VR in Xplane, P3D and DCS has a certain ‘wow’ factor with scenery size, but with MSFS I feel like I am flying in a miniature world. Using a reverb G2

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The scale is off a little but not that much, something else must be going on with your setup.

SteamVR Beta Update 1.17.8 adds a new slider to override world scale.

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@aleiby
Thank you for sharing the news! I’ve flown a little earlier only to realize at thee end there was a new beta :face_with_symbols_over_mouth:

Have you tried the new FOV setting, and the World scale yet?

Haven’t tried any airliners in MSFS other than the 320 (so this may/may not also be the problem in the others) but just out of interest a big part of your problem there is probably that, as far as I can tell, the stock model has the seat fully back to the point where it would then next start moving outwards to allow ingress/egress. This is not a normal flying position, and I’m not aware of any humans (except perhaps shaquille O’Neil lol) who would be capable of operating the real aircraft with the seat that far back…

So forget about aligning yourself with the seat. For the A320 in the middle of the upright between the windshields you will see a little arrangement with 3 balls - one red and two white. You ideally want to align your seating position so that the red ball covers the far white ball (the near white ball is for the other seat), this will give you the Airbus intended seating position which should be a little bit more sensible. In reality it’s more of a starting point, and is more critical in LVOs, but ideally you don’t want to stray too far from it.

For what it’s worth, to me the scale in the A320 seems pretty close… a bit large perhaps but exacerbated by too small knobs/joystick etc. we all perceive things a little differently though! I can’t help but think “4 or 5 times” is somewhat hyperbolic perhaps though, the flight deck on a 320 is about 2.4m wide - are you honestly seeing a flight deck that looks like it’s 10-12m (34-40ft!!!) wide? If so there’s something very, very wrong.

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