Building a PC for FS2020

Looks pretty good.

If you’re a bit tight on money, the 5600X comes with a bundled cooler, you don’t need that big AIO liquid cooler. The 5600X is only taking 65W non-overclocked.

That’ll save you $170, so maybe you can increase the ram speed to 3600 or 4000 (which really suggest).

If you really want a liquid cooler, you can add that later down the line.

From my point of view you need better RAM speed, 3600 or higher. Motherboard. I RECOMMEND YOU aorus Z390 GAMING X. You need more power with the power supply. I will tell you because with the motherboard, ram memory and especially the graphics, you will need power. Corsair 850 x modular or higher. Be careful with the electricity bill :sweat_smile: :sweat_smile:. It is not a question of whether you have the best PC equipment of the moment but a balance between the components to avoid the bottleneck between processor, ram and graphics it´s the best option.
Greetings and good flights. Juankeiko :wink: :+1:t2:

That :point_up_2:t2: there. :slightly_smiling_face:

Reason outweighs feelings.
Enjoy :wink: :+1:t2:

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Great advice.
I Particularly like your call re the Gigabyte mobo. I am not familiar with that exact one but I bet the VRM’s are class leading. So no throttling there!

Listen to this man!

Hi again.
I forgot to recommend you, if you have the opportunity and you can, buy yourself a liquid cooling pack for the CPU, you will keep the temperature very stable. Two examples of brands would be Corsair or CoolMaster.
I have used both brands with very good results. Something that is also not appreciated and is very important is thermal paste. I use Noctua NT-H2, very good, I recommend it.
Greetings and good flights.

Unless you’re going into some serious overclocking, you really don’t need to spend on a liquid cooler. Especially with the new Ryzen 5 5600X part. It only uses 65W on stock settings, and the bundled cooler will work just fine for that. Can save between 100-250 dollars that way to invest into things like better/faster RAM, more M.2 storage etc.

Or even get a better CPU for that difference. Getting a $150 cooler for a CPU that costs $300 seems complete overkill to me. That money will net you better performance invested elsewhere. It’s the difference between a 5600X and a 5800X (although the 5800X doesn’t come with the bundled cooler).

The clock frequencies reached by the New generation processors are already high at the base, reaching 5Ghz in some cases. In my case I have an i9 9900ks, liquid modular cooling. One of the big problems that AMD processors have are the very high temperatures at which they work. They are certainly good. The tips are to take them or leave them. In my case it is what I recommend.
Have a good flights folks

eehm, no, not anymore. The AMD (7nm) processors are a lot more power efficient than the intel (14nm) parts, and run a lot cooler.

CPU Power consumption:

System power consumption:

Less power consumed, is less heat to dissipate.

Hi Mort,
I have done some research into the Intel i7-10700 vs the AMD Ryzen 5 5600X.
There is some surprise that when it comes to MSFS that the more cores/threads you have the more FPS you will get in the sim. That seems to still be the case here with FS2020. Even if there is an increase of
3-5 FPS that may make a difference in how smooth you see the sim run. On top of that in reference your post above about the AMD build I made I will tell you that I do want to try overclocking both the CPU and the GPU. I have never owned an unlocked cpu so the option entices me.

Now I AM listening to everyone’s suggestions here and I am doing the research on what everyone here says and I am researching other things such as benchmarks and how to and how to not videos as well.

But I have learned that AMD cpus and gpus have tendancies to crash more than intel and nvidia.

Trust me when I say I DO want the best bang for my buck but I want to use the PC more than chase problems and fix them. I have been using Intel and Nvidia for most of my life and they are also not perfect.
I have used a Tandy 1000 SX, HP Paviliion with an Nvidia Geforce 5950 Ultra, Gateway with a Geforce 550TI in my life, and now a Gigabyte P27-Gv2 Notebook with an I7-4810Q, 16GB Corsair Vengence 1600, 1TB SSD and Nvidia Geforce GTX 860M.
So I am ready for the next step.

Also please keep in mind that this is the very first time I will ever be building a PC from scratch.
I am gonna need all the help I can get to pull this off.

Overall, I am so very appreciated that you all are taking time out of your day to help me with this.
I am so honored to get the help you are giving me.

In the end it’s up to you, which makes sense, since you’ll be using the PC.
I’m just happy to see you’re actually making an effort to delve into the details before making a decision.

Regarding AMD CPU’s; they’ve been rock solid for years. I don’t know where your information about ‘crashing more’ comes from, but especially for the CPU side, that’s not correct. AMD CPU’s have been mainstream for years now, and have been recommended by experts in the field for years.

About AMD GPU’s; there were some driver problems when the Radeon RX5700XT’s initially launched. Some people suffered from those, some didn’t. But as is the way of things, the people with issues voiced them (and rightfully so). Since then (I think about 2 months after release) those driver issues have been resolved. I’ve had 0 problems with the drivers personally.
For the RX6000 series we won’t know for sure until they’re officially released, and thoroughly tested. I can understand you might be hesitant. Best thing is to wait for release and testing (both third party experts and the community in general). If you’re in a hurry (and actually can get hold of one) I would understand not wanting to wait for that and going with an RTX 3000 series card. Those will do fine.

About more cores working better for MSFS; I haven’t seen any proof of that at all so far, as long as you have more than 4C/8T. This might change in the future, who knows, but I’m not betting on it. You can always go with a 8C/16T part if you want to be sure.
Both Intel and AMD have offerings for those.

Here’s a screenshot from some benchmarks Linus Tech Tips ran, all Ryzen 5000 parts perform very similar (and all outperform even the 10900K, even on the 1% minimums (the microstutters):

source: Remember this day… - AMD Ryzen 5000 Series - YouTube

Anyways, I just wanted to assist you in having all information available to you before you make your choice, instead of disregarding AMD of the mark :slight_smile:

Both options will most likely perform quite well, it’s up to your budget and the price/performance available to you.
I also wanted to point out that the old saying of ‘intel is better for gaming’ is not true anymore.

Whichever you end up picking, I’m sure you’ll enjoy it.

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With regard to AMD CPUs: I have used AMD processors in all but one build since the early 2000’s. In every single case they have performed flawlessly. For this year’s build - specifically with MSFS in mind - I “bit the bullet” and went with an AMD GPU as well. (There’s a first time for everything, right?)

The result has been spectacular. I can’t say MSFS has been free from CTD events - I think we have all had some, especially when the patches started - but from reading this forum I would conclude mine have been few and far between. “As we speak” I am flying the TBM toward KSFO just over the Oregon/California border, VFR at 17,500 MSL. Frame rates are 80+ external and 70+ in the cockpit.

My build is on a Gigabyte X570 board with a Ryen 5 3600, coupled with 32 GB of 3200 Corsair memory. The GPU is also a Gigabyte part: an Aorus 5700XT card to match the Aorus mainboard. I have a 1TB NVMe SSD running Win 10 Version 1909; MSFS is installed on the C drive. The build is rock solid stable and runs cool. Noctua CPU fan and 140 mm case fans provide air cooling.

Have fun building your rig. The new Ryzen 5 5600 looks very, very promising.

Ok, I will be honest with all of you. I don’t like change, in fact I may very well be terrified of it. I have always had Intel except for a few work and school AMD laptops.
I have the fear that if I build an AMD computer and it does not perform to my satisfaction, then I will be screwed because I cannot return the parts to change over to the other side. I don’t have the money to recover from this if it is a failure. This $2000 is all I have since I sold most of my RC stuff and some other things I did not need anymore. I have nothing more to sell to recoup a failure.
I am so excited to build my very own first gaming computer even if my wife disagrees with my decision. :smirk: This build will happen! Whenever I get my ■■■■ together and learn more about these components and I am confident in my choice of parts, the build will begin.

I hope you all will continue to help me with information and suggestions.

Hi again.

Your …trepidation is felt by many when spending the relatively large amounts of cash necessary
to build a machine that hopefully, doesn’t disappoint.
And this is only exacerbated by the sheer plethora of parts available.
Choices! Choices! Choices!

But the start you have chosen to take, is a good one. This bodes well!

Be mindful, however, there are as many and varied opinions out there as there are builders.
And logically speaking we can’t all be right! Even if there IS more than one way to skin a cat!
Indeed, all this information can become overwhelming and even counter productive!

So yes, garner a goodly range of opinion and advice. But there really is no substitute for ‘doing
your research’. Research is the yardstick with which you can measure and compare all this
opinion and in doing so, hopefully, then reach some actionable conclusions.

My final thought is this:
Once you have your list of parts finalised [phew, that’s the hard part done, then] Consider the
matter of timing. The urge to immediately buy everything in one’ glorious go’ is strong!
Better though, to be patient [not too patient, haha] and look for the best prices and offers that
are often to be had.
This tack can often save enough money to be able to buy a ‘better’ specified part than
on your original list.

Have the very best of luck.

Thank you all for your suggestions and kind words. I am now researching AMD tech to learn all about it.

Just wondering though, when is the best time to find good deals on all these parts? Is there any hidden discounts or ways to get the price down on some of this stuff? I know Newegg has got a month of black friday deals.

What about the day after thanksgiving and cyber monday?

Ok so I have a question for you guys.

What do you think of the Ryzen 7 3800X vs the Ryzen 5 5600X against the i7-10700K?
I figure that if the i7-10700K costs $380 then why not get the Ryzen CPU that is closest to the $380. Would I be getting more for the same price?

Ok, so please disregard my last post on the Ryzen 7 3800X. I just learned that the Ryzen 7 3800X and Ryzen 5 5600X are two different Zen Gens.

I’m learning.