Bush flights aircraft should be the C152

Really, what’s the point of bush flying if I have all the waypoints set in the Garmin and I can even use the autopilot to fly through them?
Where’s the challenge?

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Actually a good point. I guess it’s more about flying different aircraft in different environments.
By the way, do you think that the C152 has the power to reach the Pyrenees altitude of 11.000 ft in time? Maybe therefore they use a different plane there.
Second. Maybe you can switch off the gps instrument in the cockpit and only fly visually and using the basic six?

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I’m assuming you’re talking about the bush trip challenges right?

I did the USA one first, and enjoyed that a lot since it was flown in a Cub without garmins.
Was a bit surprised to find out the other trips there was garmin available, so what I did, was just delete the route from the garmin, zoomed the map all the way in so it was useless, and flew them just like I did the first one. Had a lot of fun doing them like this.

Make your own challenge, no-one is forcing you to use the garmin :wink:

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With respect to the achievements it’s a bit weird indeed. Why is there a penalty (i.e. no achievement given) if you use the back-on-track feature of the VFR map, if you can see your GPS position all along in the glass cockpit?

Anyway, I really enjoyed the bush trips, did the Patagonia trip twice (because I’ve been to Patagonia some years ago), Mariposa/California and France once. It’s totally up to you to make a challenge out of it. At times I felt that the text description wasn’t 100% clear though, but I made it through Patagonia and Mariposa without the GPS map. In France I used it occasionally, mostly because on some of the legs I just wanted to sit back and relax :wink:

I came across a couple more things that struck me as a bit weird. First of all, it would be really good if they gave you a hint that you need to refuel. At first it didn’t occur to me - when you land at the end of each leg, you get directly back to the menu, without the chance to refuel. When you start your next leg from the main menu, you’re positioned at the end of the runway, ready for takeoff. It seems like your plane is ready for the next leg when in fact it isn’t.

And when starting a new leg without going to the main menu, you don’t see the time / distance of the whole next leg (i.e. from take-off to landing), instead it just shows the time to get to the first waypoint in the next leg. More than once it happened to me that I thought by myself: Oh, the next leg is so short, let’s fly another one! And in the end it took me another 40 minutes instead of 4…

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Realism would ask for a GPS. I don’t know anyone who flies without at least a mounted GPS today. Flying into restricted airspace is a crime, to know where you are reduces stress and you can focus on flying. If you need to land and look for an airport the GPS is easy and fast and much better than folding the paper ICAO charts. IRL I never fly without GPS. My club’s WT9 has a Dynon D1000 with a moving map on the right screen and the C172 has a mounted Garmin Aera 795.

GPS is available for free so there is absolutely no reason not to use it.

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The good thing about a flight simulator is that you can put yourself in situations that would be considered too risky IRL. Of course I’d use a GPS in a real plane nowadays, but in a flight simulator it can be part of the fun to find your way through point-to-point navigation using just VORs for IFR or visual cues for VFR like people did just 20 years ago in most GA aircraft.

Still doesn’t explain why you can’t use the “back on track” button in the bush trips if you want the achievement, when the glass cockpit provides the same functionality. That doesn’t make sense to me.

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yes the back on track feature is weird indeed. it looks like a side-step project as part of the bush flights that was begun but wasn’t finished and then was released without a further look. This would also explain why they chose to use an airplane with a built-in GPS and why there are only 3 or 4 bush trips and at least one of them is actually totally boring if it’s seen as a bush trip. I assume that was meant as some kind of a campagne to cover the world with such trips and earn various achievements depending on how good or fast etc you are.

If you would like to use the 152 though you can set in in the respective .flt file. For example the alaskan bush trip is here:

\Official\OneStore\asobo-bushtrip-alaska\Missions\Asobo\BushTrips\Alaska\Alaska.FLT

under [sim.0] the aircraft can be changed before the trip has been started.

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I understand your view bush trips should be on a steam guage. But I guess it depends on the type of trip. If it is a challenge, maybe so, or even better on a cub. However, many bush trips like the one I am creatign from Scilly to Shetlands (including Northern Ireland) has a lot of sightseeing here, and i dont want to alienate anyone. Also I am hoping eventually to release it for free on the marketplace (when free indepedent content is allowed) so that Xbox users can fly it too.

The good thing about including the G1000 is that you dont have to use the GPS, if you want a challenge.

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