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On the other side somebody said that there are issues with the salty mod.
Yes, since Salty modifies 747, I was unable to see engine indicators or a map on this ā777ā with it running. Everything was āokā when I removed Salty.
Well, thatās always going to be the case. One can play GTA V as an absurd playground or one can take it seriously on its own narrative terms and inhabit its world. The same thing applies to MSFS 2020. Itās either a Twitch streamerās playground of casual clowning idiocy or a long-form technical piloting YT video by someone who really knows their way around a Boeing or two.
Either way, these applications are what we make of them.
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Except GTA doesnāt pretend to be a sim. I like GTA. It has a good narrative and itās fun. But it never pretends to be anything appealing to serious simulation, which is what folks at Asobo keep saying to us when they say they make this product for a ācore simmerā
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Good point, but in fairness, there will always be people who just want to drive planes upside down underneath bridges. You know, 'cos. 
But I take your point. I tend to ignore the nonsense about ācore simmersā - I donāt consider myself one, anyway. I bought MSFS primarily because I wanted to fly around a virtual facsimile of our world, not because Iām at all inclined to learn the intricacies of piloting a passenger jet.
Asobo and MS had to walk a fine line between genre credibility and commercial appeal (āreal simā vs. āaccessible to allā) - a contentious point that will doubtless be rehearsed in forums like this one for years to come. You see this kind of thing a lot in the race driving genre, too.
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This is becoming a joke with add-ons for MSFS these daysā¦developers are making half azz products and people are diving in buying them like madā¦doesnāt make any senseā¦why are people supporting these developersā¦Iāve spent alot of money on add-ons especially for XP 11 and never saw this kind of junk. Iām not saying that all developers especially for MSFS are producing ā ā ā ā but there are alot that areā¦seems these companies only care about a cash grab. Itās too bad because MSFS is a beautiful sim and to have an half azz airplane just doesnāt make senseā¦
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Because something in the base SIM seems to either put Devs off or there is some kind of difficulty.
Yes the gods that Working Title are, have said everything is there in the SIM right now but I honestly think other Devs canāt do it or just need a long time to catch up, who knows.
A lot the planes that have been released even the GA are only barley passable and these are basic by comparison. So what is up? And what are Asobo doing about this? They either need to relent the WASAM and allow C++ and .DLLs or I donāt know.
Asobo are not helping the situation by not fixing the glaring issues with the base SIM such as the phantom waypoints, the default flight planner. If they are worried casuals canāt use it then make a pro planner for those of us who want plans without garbage way points. Tbh I am getting fed up of this sim pandering to people who want it easy.
Iām sorry I feel like we are just beta testing for the Xbox versionā¦ And that is going fail I am sorry, Iāve said and predicted so much and it has all happened. I donāt want to be right but I know I am, and when it does fail they will either then take it seriously or quit.
I donāt agree with what captain SIM has done but I also understand why they are doing. The real issue is nobody is brave enough to tell the truth or say what they feel Iām talking about add-on Devs etc. Many are making short term planes that require little on going support. I feel the Xbox release is the future of this sim and a lot Devs are waiting to see where it goes
Meanwhile Asobo are not concentrating on the things that count. And this is why the bar is not only low but also accepted.
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For MSFS addons so far, Just Flight seems to have set the bar for GA aircraft with the Piper Arrow III. Weāll see what the Turbo Arrow III and IV are like, but Iād expect theyāll be in the same league as the naturally aspirated Arrow III. Probably the same for the upcoming Warrior II.
As near as I can tell, there are no decent payware big airliners yet available. I havenāt flown the Aerosoft CRJ offering yet, but if the reviews on the forum are any indication they seem to have set the bar for payware turbine-powered aircraft and airliners at this point in time.
The model Iām waiting (patiently) for is the MilViz P180 Avanti. Once that is released I doubt Iāll ever fly the TBM 930 again, even with the WT G3000 mod. 
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The problem comes from making those people your target user group and trying to appease them. Whilst i think there is absolutely nothing wrong with wanting to fly a 747 upside down under a bridge and that you bought the sim, itās yours to enjoy in any way you see fit, i think developers should first and foremost consider that this is a sim and try and develop sim-worthy content.
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Long-term I think all Xbox gamers will be fed up just flying around watching scenery and eventually abandon the sim. Whatās left is us, the ones that actually play it for an immersive Sim experience.
Thinking back to when I was 16 or so I would certainly be excited to fly around my hometown and cool places. But when done and having done that a couple times Iād just go back to GTA or CyberPunk or whatever. Just because there is a story and thereās change.
So my personal opinion is that MS is betting on the wrong horse here.
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āYes the gods that Working Titleā - they are not GODS, they are good programmers and nice people.
āDevs canāt do it or just need a long time to catch upā - is it Asobo problem? Asobo gives abylity to make planes, you cant do it? it means only one thing - you are not good enough for this buisness. Becouse anather guys like WT, FBW and athers can make study level aircraft at free time after thears main work. And after that such excuses like āoh sorry its too hard for usā or āwe dont know how to do thatā from some professional studios looks unconvincing. Yes they need more time, but it is not reason to sell shi** products to users who use to trust them.
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There are no study level addons for FS2020, aircraft, helicopters, or GPS units.
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That feature is called āredundancyā
There are no study level addons for FS2020
At this moment not, but they are aiming on that, and they need more time. They dont say āSorry guys, we can sell you this dreadful plane for only 30$ becourse make study level aircraft takes us a lot of timeā
I think āstudy levelā is a very subjective term. Depending on WHAT you want to study, or rather learn from your flight sim experience you can consider things as study level that other people would dismiss with a polite nod.
For example they donāt have any indepth engine simulation but the flight characteristics of the JF Arrow or the ATS P.149 are pretty good, within limitations. If you want to learn how to fly a single engine prop plane in a proper circuit you can actually study it with these planes very well. You can also study their systems, without bad consequences though. But you can fly them āby the bookā. So it wouldnāt be weong at all to call them study level.
On the other hand there is a āStudy level DC3ā in development as it was available for P3D, I think itās the same developer? At least thatās what I read somewhere. Now for us this might be pure study level, wow, great realism. But will an actually DC3 rated pilot feel the same? The P3D version didnāt punish me if I took off holding the tail down, a recent crash however shows the dangers doing that. It would fly before the rudder had authority: P3D limitation, though people called it study level. The same is probably valid for our Boeings and Airbusesā¦ and Q400 etc.
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check out payware airports on marketplace you can end up paying 20euro for your favourite airport, lots of simmers wont pay high pmdg study level prices. Lots of fs ers arenāt study level pilots. I havenāt bought it. I believe it will be refined. its interesting, especially virtual cabin.
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Why the 747 systems? Wouldāve been better to use the 787 systems since irl a pilot who can fly the 777 can also fly the 787. It would also make more sense because trying to use a 4 engine aircraft as an overlay for a twin jet is a good way to cause errors. From other videos Iāve seen, the plane is just a model while flying the default 747. A shame too because Iām still waiting for a decent 777.
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They had the 777 model in the drawerā¦ just put it over the default 747, sell it for the price of Aerosoftās Twotter, done. And the 787 is not part of the default package.
there arent many freeware aircraft out there, unless they are fsx ports. there is more to this than meets the eye. The SDK for that matter. Aerosoft had advance insider knowledge when they worked on the crj on this one. A very interesting video was the insimbuilds developer Q and A on the A300, really worth watching
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