Career Mode - Textron Beechcraft Bonanza G36 - External passenger - private charter mission

[WrithemTwine]

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ISSUE DESCRIPTION

Description of the issue:
Transporting passengers on a private charter in Germany. One of the passengers is sitting underneath the plane.

[PC Only] Did you remove all your community mods/add-ons? If yes, are you still experiencing the issue?
N/A - no mods.

FREQUENCY OF ISSUE

How often does this occur for you (Example: Just once, every time on sim load, intermittently)?
Just once, so far - Edit: multiple times, depending where passengers sit; also affects pilot sitting in wrong area and emerging through the roof

REPRODUCTION STEPS

Please list clear steps you took in order to help our test team reproduce the same issue:

1. Started a private charter in Germany (after first flight), load passengers.
2. If can’t see under craft, take off, then look.

YOUR SETTINGS

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What peripherals are you using, if relevant:
Logitech Extreme 3D Pro

[PC Only] Are you using Developer Mode or have you made any changes to it?
No

[PC, MSFS 2020 Only] Are you using DX11 or DX12?

[PC Only] What GPU (Graphics Card) do you use?
RTX 3090Ti

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[CrookTizzle]

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[VillaJota]

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ISSUE DESCRIPTION

Description of the issue:

In a mission the pilot is not where he/she should be. Please see screenshot below.

If applicable, which aircraft is experiencing this issue:

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FREQUENCY OF ISSUE

How often does this occur for you (Example: Just once, every time on sim load, intermittently)?

REPRODUCTION STEPS

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1. Begin a mission with a Bonanza
2. Switch to external view

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[StarfoxManiac]

Hi guys, I confirme the problem :

and bad visual on passangers too !

[IB679]

[Knurzf0ten]

Accurate depiction of the status of FS2024…

[WrithemTwine]

I have experienced the external passenger on several additional missions.

[Claude1716]

we can still question the seriousness of test validations at Asobo/MS when we see this.

[WrithemTwine]

(not that this is the same issue) - they stated during one of those monthly FAQs for 2020, they found a certain group of players had a configuration unlike anything in their test cases and a certain bug slipped through. so, they were able to update their test cases to cover that configuration.

it’s not excusing anyone; just saying, it’s easy to mix-up a “+/-” direction, especially if it’s counter-intuitive or the coder doesn’t understand the scenario. there was once a wind issue where all the windsocks were backwards because they were set to wind reporting instead of wind blowing direction.

[StarfoxManiac]

still bug despite update 1.1.10

[WrithemTwine]

per the release notes, I’m suspecting they’re working on the “access to play” bugs/crashes with minimal content adjustments.

the 2020 development cycle for a Sim Update ended up at about 2+ months, beta testing sometimes found issues to polish and often added a few more weeks.

as a rough guess (and regular business days), 1-1.5 weeks to plan what to update, 3-4 weeks to code, 2-3 weeks for QA testing (which ramps up during primary coding, i.e. learn and design testing for current plan) and implement code fixes per QA testing, 1-2 weeks beta test release, 1-2 days decide & determine release candidate status; 1-2 days roll-up changes into main release, issue client update to production systems. Maybe more time to coding & a little less to QA when they have the tests lined up and just need to add new tests (time could shift depending how intense the update is).

That’s already a 7-11 weeks schedule, around 2-3 months, but the planning could overlap during the QA & beta testing as the code teams wouldn’t be involved - that can pull it back to about 9 weeks. And coding any specific issue that’s a massive area could take longer, e.g. helicopters & gliders as they introduced all new systems.

And, the monthly public overview meetings go over the current bugs list sorted by vote order. This equates into planning future releases. So, this is the chance for the community to voice and vote for the highest concerns for the dev team to address (like the top 25-30).

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ISSUE DESCRIPTION

Description of the issue:
Very awful thing, passenger hanging down in bottom of outside aircraft, is these VIP pay for torture experience？

If applicable, which aircraft is experiencing this issue:

• Beechcraft Bonanza G36

[PC Only] Did you remove all your community mods/add-ons? If yes, are you still experiencing the issue?
yes

FREQUENCY OF ISSUE

How often does this occur for you (Example: Just once, every time on sim load, intermittently)?
Some times

REPRODUCTION STEPS

Please list clear steps you took in order to help our test team reproduce the same issue:

1. In career mode,
2. After takeoff you will see the passenger down there, not always

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What peripherals are you using, if relevant:
Xbox controller, keyboard & mouse

[PC Only] Are you using Developer Mode or have you made any changes to it?
no

[PC, MSFS 2020 Only] Are you using DX11 or DX12?
DX12

[PC Only] What GPU (Graphics Card) do you use?
AMD RX6800

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[doofmonger6935]

Do you have the same issue if you follow the OP’s steps to reproduce it?
• Just fly the Bonanza. Same results

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• She looks comfy enough but nothing of note to add

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[ziltoid428]

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• yes (career mod)

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• the pilot and the passenger arent’ to the good position
• config : Windows 11 24H2 / 2 screens / graphic cards : geforce RTX 2070 super

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[FloSchulz90]

Darn, I didn’t take a screenshot when I had someone sitting on the right wing and flap of my 172 in career mode. They stayed in the geographical position, so when I returned from that flightseeing, I had a floating person over a parking spot… I wonder if this is caused by a different bug or if it falls into the same category.

[GotLowGround]

I have the same

ISSUE DESCRIPTION

Description of the issue: Head of pilot sticking out of the airplane. And the passenger is head down under the plane sticking out.
Gives warning when adding flaps when on the ground, and not all ATC messages are sent, so you get penalty in Career mode…

If applicable, which aircraft is experiencing this issue: Beech-bonanza-g36

FREQUENCY OF ISSUE

How often does this occur for you (Example: Just once, every time on sim load, intermittently)? Every time I do career and use this aircraft.

REPRODUCTION STEPS

Please list clear steps you took in order to help our test team reproduce the same issue:

1. On xbox Series x, load career mode
2. Choose flight seeing with this aircraft.

YOUR SETTINGS

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What peripherals are you using, if relevant: xbox series x, mouse, keyboard and flight stick (trustmaster) should not be relevant.

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[Silvera1657]

Are you flying the plane or plane is flying you?

[Chewwy94]

Thank you for the bug report.

We have created an internal ticket to see if our team already has this logged, and if not they will attempt to reproduce the issue and create a new bug report. This item is now marked as feedback-logged. If there is an existing bug report or one is created, we will move this thread to bug-logged

[enri984]

Do you have the same issue if you follow the OP’s steps to reproduce it?

• Yes

Provide extra information to complete the original description of the issue:

• During the career mode, in the “First Flight” mission in Spain, during a panoramic flight from LEBR airport. During the flight, I noticed that a passenger is sitting upside down under the belly of the aircraft outside, and the pilot is positioned behind his seat, standing with his head sticking out through the roof of the aircraft.

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