Downloaded. Thanks for an update! Will try in a couple of hours and report what I see.
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Downloading now. So is everyone and his nephew, judging by the download speed.
I just flew around McMurdo, and with clear skies selected and overcast live weather, didnât see the dark circle. I saw, as I have before, a lot of real time redrawing of the landscape with some odd dark shapes that resolved into water or cloud shadows as the plane moved around. I didnât see anything that looked like a repeatable circle below the plane or following it. The terrain redrawing is really noticeable on the flat areas in particular. I guess it is because there isnât much for the AI to work with.
Let me know if you see this type of behavior too. I attach a couple of screenshots from clear weather and live. The live weather one has a dark thing on the ground below, but it didnât follow the plane.
Thanks
Mark
Let me know if you see this type of behavior too. I attach a couple of screenshots from clear weather and live. The live weather one has a dark thing on the ground below, but it didnât follow the plane.
Thanks
Mark
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Just Finnished a flight run the the left tank dry and couldnât click and move the switch to the right tank however the mouse wheel worked saving me from a long swim in the pasific.
Maybe if the aircraft was not rushed to release with all kinds of problems you wouldnt have this issueâŠ
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I for one donât live in the past so Iâm grateful with the rate of updates.
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Whilst this product is still behind on features available in the FSX/P3D version, I have to say that this 1.4 changelist brought a smile to my face and the realisation that I may, in time, be proved wrong. This is not the case yet, but BBS now seem to be handling this release correctly now and this latest patch is both comprehensive and prompt. Well done.
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Thanks for the patch! I gets getting better and better for every new version.
Graham,
Great job on 1.4. Lots of nice new goodies. I havenât yet had chance to go over all the new stuff, but I do have a couple of questions/ observation/ requests:
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The corrected trim indicator is very welcome and the new wheel is much more historically accurate the the earlier version. On that note- in the photos of the actual aircraft, these trim wheels seem to be made of a black plastic or bakelite material- not painted. May I suggest the new wheel be rendered in all black without the âscuffingâ treatment showing wear that it has currently- this would not occur in an injection molded or bakelite component. Behold:
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Primer System: This was a welcome surprise. Does it actually have a function in cold weather starts? Perhaps it could be made part of the engine cold start routine for added realism, i.e., âtwo squirts or she doesnât start.â Also, for added realism the animation should show the knob rotate 1/4 turn anticlockwise before coming out, and upon returning to itâs position, should turn 1/4 turn clockwise to lock. (Never hurts to ask, right?)
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Please consider making the Carb Heat Lever functional by making it a â2-position switchâ as per the POH. By this I donât mean to change itâs appearance; it simply should be able to move all the way forward to RAM FILTERED AIR as well as go all the way back to HEAT. When placed on HEAT, we should always observe a ca. 50 RPM drop at the tachometer, returning to normal RPMs when returned to RAM FILTERED AIR.
Thank you for the great work on 1.4, this A/C just gets progressively better. I could go on but I want to go fly it!!!
-Naz
This is all very good to hear that the Bird Dog is being updated and quite quickly. HOWEVER, I hope BBS consider sorting their own house out and hiring someone to help with the coding of their Airbus products, still not yet at V0.9, let alone V1.0 for FSX:SE and P3DâŠ
Why is this important you ask? Well, if they donât get the airliners right BEFORE trying to port them over to FS2020 then I feel that the Widebodies will be a complete disaster, despite what the new sim has to offer. We all know that at the moment, airliners arenât best suited to the sim, but in time that will get sorted out. The sim being ready to accept complex airliners I mean⊠BBS on the other hand⊠wellâŠ
In case you think Iâm a Prologue hater. NO exactly the opposite. I think that even in itâs current iteration of 0.87 they Widebodies are still leaps and bounds beyond the freeware I was using beforehand. I donât feel that I wasted my money in that regard. Being able to try a demo out was also a great decider. However, even if I am a fanboy, that doesnât stop me expressing concern over the lack of support in general⊠Thanks for your time.
-Mark.
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YeahâŠGREAT work by BBS with all these initial updates! Fantastic job.
It all seems hauntingly familiar thoughâŠtrying to recall where Iâve seen this pattern beforeâŠhmmmm
Put a popular plane on the market, be very attentive to the initial requests in the 1st few monthsâŠthenâŠ
There is another component to this pattern that only time will be able to fill inâŠmaybe in 2 years or so?
Yeah! Thatâs it! Now I remember! Now if I could only recall that commercial developerâŠmy memory fails me. Maybe its because its been overwhelmed as Iâm developing a new product for flightsim, and Iâve been deep into creating thousands of pages of Code for the last 2 yearsâŠtakes its toll on the old brain ya know. 
Doesnât seem to matter though, all that matters is that the Birddog is finally at a stage to be considered 1.0, promises made and kept. This plane is simple enough that it should not have many more support requirements, time to move on to the next plane!
I just hope all the older customers of this product help the new ones a few years down the road if they run into issues, oh waitâŠnevermindâŠthey could always go the the developerâs official support forums for supportâŠcompletely forgot about that (and apparently so has the dev), silly me.
Waiting for the Bulldog to arrive on the MSFS market, or will it be the Islander next? Oh waitâŠI should have at least a few months to wait for thoseâŠI mean, with the model(s) being hand crafted from scratch in the native MSFS formatâŠthat has GOT to take a long time for someone to do singlehandedly, shouldnât it? 
Oh wellâŠtime, like always, will tell.
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I have heard multiple times on this thread and others about the prior history some have with the developer. At this point on this thread, for me it would be more helpful to have it focused on the Bird Dog. I may be in the minority, and if that is the case, so be it.
Mark
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Completely agree Mark! And if the customers of the developer had a place where he responded to their questions or support issues, youâd never see them here.
I donât believe they are here specifically to cause trouble, but instead are trying to ascertain why the same dev whoâs very responsive here, in THIS forum, seems to be completely absent in his own forum, where some of his customers of that other product have been waiting literally years for not only a promised updateâŠbut even a status update to where it is in the production cycle.
Does a dev, who is being responsive here for his new product, get to completely ignore the rest of his customers? (sorry, rhetorical questionâŠthe answer is no)
And if youâve heard multiple times on this thread and others about the prior history, doesnât it beg for at least a curious search to see if any of the claims are even warrantedâŠif for nothing else to help guide any future purchases from the dev? Or are we all completely satisfied that the past is the past, a new leaf has been turned over, support and updates to your recent purchase will continue, even when new products hit the market? You donât think customers of the other product thought the same thing when it was shiny and new?
Different product: Yes
Different complexity: Yes
Different support model when product is not the most recently released: Yes.
Iâm thinking the last one should be NOâŠbut thatâs just me, a customer of a not so shiny new model.
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We are aware of that reputation, and we know we musnât buy the birddog until it has reached a certain threshold.
You can continue to complain here about the Airbus, but thatâs not gonna change anything, if you made the mistake of buying an incomplete product from someone who doesnât have a reputation of finishing the products.
Youâre rightâŠnobody seems to care, especially BBS. Been waiting to see if theyâve even checked their own forums since this new MSFS Birddog releasedâŠthey havenât, Iâm sure of it. 
Well, it seems everyone here whoâs bought THIS product at any version other than the latest (1.4 I think as of this post), did the exact same thing, right? Now, this is only if you believe the latest version is good enough to be called a real 1.0 from any developerâŠif you think it still needs work when the next plane is released from BBS, then youâre really in the same boat all the other BBS customers areâŠwelcome aboard! 
The advantages you new customers have are:
- The plane is still new
- Its as basic as they get
- He hasnât released a new plane yet
Hear is the deal. I actually like this bird, Iâd like to own it. However it will never happen at $29US for me. I also would have never bought it at 1.0, like you said, knowing the history of the developer. But Iâve been in flightsim for decades, know all the devs, so I can make informed purchases in this small community.
I just felt for the new simmers who plunked down all that cash (relatively speaking), got v 1.0, and must have been sick to their stomach when they saw those gauges, and all the other obvious bugs in the product.
To BBSâ credit, he has updated the plane to fix the glaring issues, and I appreciate that as a simmer in general. Relieved that all those v 1.0âers were not left hanging.
I also applaud the reports I heard where he issued refunds, that was unexpected as its generally accepted that digital purchases are, âyou buy it, you own itââŠexcept for F1 purchases of course (for those here new to flightsim and think Iâm somehow referring to Formula One racing, F1 in our community is Flight1, who does offer 30 day money back (with limitations, but generally speaking).
Anyway, for the sake of agreeing with you that the Airbus situation will never change (in my lifetime anyway), itâs only relevant here as you mentioned, and I only hope that when the Bulldog or Islander hits this market, the Birddog needs no other updates, or I guarantee youâll see Birddog owners in those threads making the same comments I am.
Only time will tell.
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@SnappedTiara694 Your analisis is correct, but it seems you are forgetting a little detail that can change everything.
Iâm a quite new simmer, but I know to listen, and recently Sebastien from Asobo said in the Q/A that making a queality Airliner is something that requires years from an experienced team.
Maybe BBS tried to chew more than they could handle with that Airbus, and maybe there is no way to fix that in the short term, maybe not at all.
So it makes no sense making analogies with the Bird dog, if when the SDK is finished, they donât fix everything the SDK allows, that would be a quite different situation.
Itâs quite relevant to hear of previous track records of developers when thinking about purchasing an unfinished product. It appears though that perhaps in this case, lessons have been learnt. Itâll be good to see this continue.
For me personally though, thereâs just too many red flags about this and previous BBS products. It wasnât the best of starts to see the developer and his friend try to discredit a YouTube reviewer for what was a very fair review, which was subsequently proven right by the developer going on to fix many of the issues highlighted in said review. I get the impression that some addon developers think theyâre entitled to good reviews regardless of how finished a product is. That might have worked before when flight sims were a niche hobby. But itâs now going mainstream with MSFS so things are going to have to change if theyâre to stay relevant.
Iâm relatively new to flight sims, apart from loving EF2000 back in the day. One thing that struck me since getting into MSFS was how wide the standards are in addons. Donât get me wrong, thereâs some really nice work being done, but thereâs also some shoddy, lazy stuff that shouldnât have been released, at least not at the stage of development they were released at, that includes elements of MSFS itself.
My hope is that standards will improve, as seems to have happened with Carenado. And I want to give BBS benefit of the doubt that their standards are in that process. Early signs were pretty poor (seriously BBS, spend more time making products youâre clearly capable of making and less time attacking honest members of the community who just want value for money), but they seem to be turning things around at least on this product. If that improvement continues then more power to BBS.
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I have no argument with the facts from Asobo, but I personally do not think that BBS bit off more than they could chew with the Airbuses in the older sims. Why? The BBS Airbus HAS been around for years⊠and the sims it is coded for have been around even longer with well-known (finished & complete!!) SDKs understood by many develpoers.
Quite a lot of the electric jet works, but there are somethings which donât (transitions in the MCDU. One can only import FS9 format flight plans into the MCDU and only in the company routes folder), some people say that the âflare lawâ is wrong, but Iâm not a real 'Bus driver and I can land the planes without wiping them across the concrete. I donât know if Iâm following procedure, but it works for me.
Itâs the fact that itâs languishing as a Prologue with ZERO support from BBSâ OWN forums that Iâm taking issue with. I played with the demo and liked what I found, so I bought into it with my eyes open. My complaints are nothing to do with âI wasted moneyâ, no, Iâm just putting a âcaveat emptorâ out there due to the track history of the developer. Iâm a concerned end user who wants to like the product even more than I currently do.
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Any chance for the patch notes for 1.5? Cheers
Found very beautiful new camouflage amphfibian livery in 1.5!
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