Do we know if the Ryzen 7 9800X3D falls into the “easy button” category (no fiddling with tuning to optimize or need for process lasso et al)?
It’s the successor to the Ryzen 7 7800X3D, so there shouldn’t be any issues – no need for any black magic to get it running straight out of the box
Yes let’s wait and see as you say
Exciting times to be a flight simmer! It’s all good.
Personally I would be staggered if 9800x3d gives any ‘observable’ difference in the context of flight sims vs the 7800x3d equal or above 2k. I say that in full knowledge that I already get the 100 fps+ totally stutter free experience. In my setup I am lucky enough not to have any of the reported issues stemming from cpu, gpu, any other system latency. The system is a beast!. However, I am willing to eat humble pie if I am proven wrong…if that’s the case then I might have to invest in a new x3d processor
I’m not a fan of frame generation - my eyes pick up on the “fake frames” so I keep it turned off. That’s one of the reasons I’m holding out for the new X3D.
I think 9800X3D will be at least 15-20+% better than 7800x3D on msfs2024. There was a mainboard brand promising up to 35% performance increase for 9000x3D cpus with their mainboards? i forgot. Seeing how msfs2024 used all 7800x3d cores almost fully (i got 17-18C temp increase on msfs2024 vs msfs2020) i think 15-20% difference is possible, even maybe more.
edit: here Gigabyte Launches "X3D Turbo Mode" For X870E Motherboards: Up to 35% Higher Gaming Performance With AMD Ryzen 9000X3D CPUs We will see <3
I have heard that some are susceptible so yes fully understand your logic. I don’t suffer the same susceptibility. I would love to see an objective test done where FG was played alongside non FG as an experiment with proper controls in place. I rather suspect people wouldnt be able to see the difference. But anyway, I am driving us off topic so I’ll zip it
I have to say that I am very sceptical of this ‘up to 35%’ claim by Gigabyte. I have read that a hardware enthusiast tested this on Forza Horizon 5 using a Ryzen 7 9700x and just got a 5% performance increase. I mean, that is not bad for free but honestly I do wonder if this 35% claim has been massively exaggerated.
An increase is an increase though but I would expect other manufacturers to follow suit soon with their own version.
I seem to be in a somewhat different situation than several others in this thread in that I do not have a recent, powerful CPU. No mistake, I like my Ryzen 7 3700X. It was decently priced at the time and it still performs… OK. But. It is now showing its age. So I do believe it is appropriate for me to upgrade. Based on current circumstances, I still believe the 7800X3D is a very good CPU overall and (obviously!) especially for games. If I had that I believe I would have been quite content and would not likely have been considering the newer CPU.
But.
I do not expect the 9800X3D to bring very big FPS improvements over the 7800X3D. But I do believe there will be SOME improvements. I am also intrigued by the potential for meaningful improvements in performance with productivity/media apps as photography and video editing are of some level of importance for me. So, unless AMD goes silly and hugely increases the release price of the 9800X3D compared to the release price of the 7800X3D, big picture it still potentially makes sense for me to rather go for the newer CPU. Given the high price 7800X3Ds command at the moment, I suspect/hope the premium should not be TOO high for the 9800.
If that is the case, then in my case, why not go for the slightly/somewhat more expensive but overall slightly better (maybe? Hopefully?) CPU? Time will tell.
I 100% agree in your specific situation. Get the best you can afford at the price point that makes sense, and future proof as much as you can.
This is from a simmer who has a 7900x3d (click on my gamer pic for PC specs). I know the mainstream tech press and many on this forum have not looked favorably on the 7900x3d however I was able to get one at a very good price a year ago. I had some productivity requirements that did not suit a 7800x3d very well but I did not want to pay a much higher price for the 7950x3d.
I’ve done nothing to “fiddle” with the CCD’s like project lasso and it will run the sim great. I’m not saying those tools cannot squeeze out a little more performance its just I don’t think it’s needed. I can merely set the Win 7 power profile to balanced and the non-vcached cores will be parked and the sim is run on the 6 cores/12 threads of the vcached CCD. I can set the power profile to ultimate performance and no cores are ever parked, however, the sim is still run on the 6 cores/12 threads of the vcached CCD and the other cores are utilized for system processes & other apps (if any). With either power plan, non games are always run on the non-vcached cores.
So, paired with 48 gig of DDR5-8000 (just upgraded and booted up 1st time) along with a RX 7900xtx, the 7900x3d runs the sim great in 4k HDR with all settings at ultra. I’ll get at least 40-60 fps in complex airports/cities and up to 150fps at altitude (Cessna 152,TAA with frame gen off, weather off, traffic off & no add-ons). Note: I do get the micro-stutters while loading in the sim & jerking the cockpit camera side to side (& other odd behavior) everyone else gets no matter how much cpu/gpu power you got under the hood. Needless to say I’m looking forward to MSFS 2024 which will better utilize my 12 cores/24 threads more efficiently.
While I don’t think the 7900x3d is for everyone it has worked out well for me - ymmv. I would definitely not buy it unless you can get it for a good sale price.
You don’t get much from “overclocking” a x3D in the Intel sense, you use PBO and Curve Optimizer to squeeze a little extra from them.
I don’t expect that to change with the 9xxxx3D either.
What I’ve seen claimed in the press is that the 9xxx series have more thermal/power headroom than the 7xxx series, so you have more potential to make use of that headroom in PBO etc than the same sub-model of the last gen.
We’ll see.
I’m still sitting on my 5800X3D until this all shakes out.
So 9800x3d officially announced by AMD. Please share here all the benchmarks (MSFS) vs 7800/7900/7950x3d. Didnt find single one yet with MSFS.
Here are some I’ve done as I tuned my new 7950X3D. I’ll do more testing once I get FS24 cooking.
Lots of leaks and rumours but as far as I can see the formal release by AMD is still only due on November 7? I certainly have not seen anything official from them yet.
As far as benchmarks are concerned: Tom’s Hardware includes MSFS in their benchmark suite. I have always found their reviews to be thorough, comprehensive, reliable and informative.
EDIT Apologies, I have just seen the release from AMD
I bought my 7800x3D for around 320$ i think. Prices gone crazy it seems since than. Or maybe i was lucky.
Lucky indeed: prices went crazy after that. The launch price for the 9800X3D seems reasonable: I was fearing a higher launch price. At this stage it converts to a less than 10% premium over what 7800X3Ds are currently being advertised for here in Canada - if you can get one. I am OK with that as a premium.
Now to see the reviews AND the availability come Nov 7!
I know I’d definitely avoid the 7900X3D it’s a odd duck in the mix. Either 7800X3D for gaming or 7950X3D for gaming/productivity.
7800X3D may take a price hit in November and 9800X3D, as with most things, will just depend on your budget. 9700x isn’t a bad budget processor, better for apps than games though. The thing about MSFS it sometimes straddles between an app and a pure traditional AAA 3D game. No one has seen what 2024 holds for performance yet though.
And we do tend to push FS into settings beyond the intended current hardware. Remember ‘high end’ settings are what’s intended for a modern top-tier computer. They do build higher settings into all games for future hardware. Just throwing ultra everything and expecting perfect fluidity is a bit optimistic even with 2020 and top hardware now. Some ultra settings are ‘runaway’ settings where you see ~3% visual improvement and it’s asking 500% it’s worth from the CPU/GPU because it’s intended for more VRAM and faster processors not available yet. Some of these situations with ray tracing now take 60% or more FPS in games but they’re there more for the next generation of cards not yet realized. Eventually RT will be another forgotten setting like anisotropic filtering is these days.
FS2024 is a bit unique as they are not adding bleeding edge outlandish graphical features so much as optimizing what they can, and optimization is rarely implemented outside of console games(where a console gets ‘better’ with age). Kind of a crapshoot until someone runs the darn thing.