DC Designs F-14A/B Tomcat Announcement & Discussion

I’m LOVING!! the flight characteristics change. Did a double flame out at 15K, emergency restart of engines, and when I engaged the left engine ( waiting on the R engine to start ) the F-14 responed appropriately. It no longer just flew striaght, I had to work the controls to keep her flying straight.

Note: a flat spin would have been AWESOME!!!

DC Designs NICE!!! job

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With all due respect, I have already seen that you like to debate this same topic on other channels and honestly I don’t feel like debating, but I think your problem is misinterpreting a chart or misinterpreting what you read on the internet.

F-14 can perform sustained turns of up to 8.5G, without bleeding energy or speed in the process (it is the definition of sustained turn vs load factors) and without the plane breaking up (it is a guarantee specified by the manufacturer that the plane is capable of doing so without risk to the aircraft).

Another thing is the maximum G that an airplane can support prior to structural damage. Could it do 10G without breaking? The plane yes, probably the one that breaks is you, or you pass out and end up crashing the plane before you regain consciousness. Is the plane going to break for reaching 10G? not immediately and if it is not sustained over time, before then the plane will bleed energy, speed or start to suffer damage. That is, the graph does not tell you what is the maximum G that you can do with the plane. The graph simply warns you not to exceed the limit.

Then there are the planes governed by FBW:

Could the F-16 support 9G? Yes, and even more, but it is limited to 9G to preserve the life of the pilot.
In fact it was designed so that you can command 9g’s

Can eurofighter support 9G? It can theoretically support 15G, but is limited to 9G to preserve the life of the pilot.

F-18 is limited to 7.5G, but is the maximum? No, it’s the accepted limit, but you can unlock it with the paddle switch behind the stick and increase the available limit even to 10G, but it’s not the maximum it could do, but what the plane lets you to do.

How are these planes limited? among many other things, limiting the maximum deflections of the control surfaces vs dynamic pressures so that even though you do full aft stick, the plane doesn’t do the max deflection, or hardening the stick so that it is difficult for you to do so. If a stabilator has a maximum deflection of +30/-10, an AFCS, DFCS or FBW will limit it depending on the dynamic pressure: at low speeds or low dynamic pressure you will have those 30+ available, but at higher speed it depends on the manufacturer, but It could perfectly be < 30%, or what is the same, < +10/-3. And therefore you won’t be able to pull G’s.

In conclusion, it’s not that the plane isn’t capable of doing it, it’s if it lets you do it or if you can survive it.

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Great… So the AFCS or DFCS can be toggled off in the updated model too to allow the Tomcat to pull more Gs.

Thankfully, this is just a game and I can fly however I prefer.

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So your goal is to take a jet that is modeled to fly realistically and fly it as unrealistically as possible? I think there are a bunch of unrealistic planes in MSFS for you to do that.

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And this is why the DarkStar exists. For people like you. It’s great that such a wide audience is being catered for, don’t you think?

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Please keep the discussion on the F-14A/B Tomcat without directing posts to specific members.

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I just joined the 700 club :sunglasses:

My takeoffs are smooth (under 250 until I’m above 10K) but I need more work on my landings.

Question for the group: If I see a yellow circle on the front left side (I can’t see the AOA numbers) does that mean I need to nose up or down more?

Thanks!!

BTW: any tips/tricks are welcome. :grin:

Green = slow (AOA Higher than recommended).
Yellow = correct speed (correct AOA).
Red = fast (AOA lower than recommended).

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700 hours in the -14? Nice!

As for the AOA meter, yes, keep the yellow circle in site…

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(Although this isn’t the F-14 AOA meter, it works the same. If you see the arrow pointing up (increase AOA/decrease speed) Arrow pointing down (decrease AOA/increase speed).

Additionally in the F-14, once you’ve got there, ensure your speed is correct for your weight/load (somewhere between 130-150knots-ish) and check your decent rate, it should be -“ish” following the rule-of-thumb FPM 5x your speed. (IE 150knots descend at 750 FPM) this should keep you on slope.

If anyone knows more, or can correct me, please do. :slight_smile:

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CodenameJack447: Thank you for that info. I was thinking Green = Go/ Yellow = Caution/ and RED = You’re DEAD!!

Zeanuck: Thank you for that info. Yes, about 98% in the F-14 and most of that in the F-14A. I normally fly with a heavy load and land with hands on stick/ throttle. I’m now trying to use ISA ( auto throttle )

“(IE 150knots descend at 750 FPM)”
I always try to land at 150 but I don’t know how to set FPM. I’m all “Mark One Eyeball” :face_with_head_bandage:

I thank everyone in the group for your help and yes, once I get my landings down I will be asking question about how to set up my trim properly. I can’t fly off AP without maintaining a constant hold on the stick.

Update:
Is this what I have to setup so I can control FPM ?

where you should have it is in the flighstick, although it is a matter of preference.

What you have pointed out is for Helicopters if i’m not wrong.

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Thanks for the help. I set that up on my flightstick and will try it out on my next flight. Am I correct that I have to turn off AP for it to work?

Question: is that A on the left side of the HUD below the G the AOA? If so, I can see that. :face_with_monocle:

Note: I set the IAS on my last landing to 150 and my landing was much smoother.

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You are free to assume what you wish. Thank you for the kind and courteous response.

Thanks, I’m not training to be a real fighter pilot.

But your way of playing is so much cooler. Wish I were you.

FYI, after the last update my F 14`s were not in my hanger. but they were shown as installed. quick uninstall then download and all was well

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I do not know if this is appropriate to post in this group and I’m sorry if it’s not ok. Please feel free to delete it if it’s not ok.

My Warthog flight stick just arrived but the base is way too big. Do they make some kind of adapter.

Any help would be highly appreciated.

Update: I cut one of my speaker mounts. It will have to do until I come up with a better idea. Duct tape a girls best friend. :crazy_face:


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You can remove the base plate on the Warthog stick. Never done it myself but I’ve seen plenty of pics of people mounting it to other things with the base plate removed.

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Well, the update dropped on Xbox. It’s nice, I like it and models the tomcat more accurately I suppose.

One thing I noticed is that it rolls rather slowly now although the pitch is more responsive and it can pull more Gs when need be. Also, AFCS can’t be toggled anymore, so I’m guessing both these changes are to reflect the real aircraft’s characteristics?

No way to increase roll rate, is there?

All in all,nice update. Flight model feels good and the cockpit fov has been adjusted which is very welcome.

Tomcat is a reasonably large airframe, its roll rate is kind of its Achillies heel. It is now as it was in real life

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This is the bracket I use

https://www.amazon.de/-/en/Holder-Thrustmaster-Warthog-Joystick-Throttle/dp/B093BWS3VB/ref=dp_prsubs_3?pd_rd_w=8X0Ul&content-id=amzn1.sym.c1e42c4b-6b49-4cba-9c0c-d926ed3ed642&pf_rd_p=c1e42c4b-6b49-4cba-9c0c-d926ed3ed642&pf_rd_r=SG8P40E6WEBJ5Z751YR5&pd_rd_wg=brCRA&pd_rd_r=4a5b917e-dabc-4e29-944b-38ec987d2d1d&pd_rd_i=B093BWS3VB&th=1

I use a different stick and throttle, but this is fully compatible with the Warthog setup. You would need to remove the base. Height and distance between desk is adjustable. Only thing I’m seeing is that your desk is sloped so I’m not sure if that would be an issue for you. It would mean that the stick will would be at a slight incline toward you. I don’t think this would be a problem though. It’s also a rock solid piece of equipment.

Link is in German, as I got it from the German amazon to avoid import taxes, but you can of course translate it to your own language.

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