I use the Air Manager V4 program, compatible with MFS2020.
It would be great to have full instrument panels (popup and 2D) for large Asobo airliners by default. Example the Airbus A320 neo (FBW) the 787, 747 and the PMDG 737 will be released soon.
I know how to create 2D panels with the Skiman software, I have problems with the LUA files, I don’t understand anything, I am not competent in this field to make functional panels for MFS2020. I’m starting this topic because I wish everyone would talk about this, because there is a real lack of instrument panels in individual reading. I think it’s a pity because Asobo would have even more users of its great simulator.
It would be great if Asobo could partner with Air manger to create 2D panels. Or to have people create and share functional panels in the community.
On XPLANE 11 I use the ZIBO Mod with Air Manager and ZHSI mod, and other plugins to have a FMS and others, I swear you that it feels like in a real cockpit.
I love flying simulators, and MFS2020 has a lot to offer to the Simmer community. I’m a fan of Airbus and I wish I had a 2D overhead panel and lots of other instruments. What do you think about this? Thank you in advance for passing on this topic to Asobo to discuss this idea, or for people who are passionate about developing instruments.
I agree with you, I think it’s a shame not to have the possibility to display instruments in popup or 2D, personally I hope Air manager will develop instruments, or even other developers with level programs. For the simulation to be in 3D view is good, it’s very pretty in cockpit modeling but I am used to have instrument views and to have my screens arranged to make a home cockpit on MFS20 I am blocked unfortunately because there is very little for the moment. I hope this will change the because Asobo has a lot of possibilities, and I think that eventual users of this simulator are disappointed not to have this chance and like me go back to their old simu to have more immersion. I really hope this topic will be relayed.
yes it is easy just for look the problem for change interation i don’t look touch in screen instrument, it is not practical
Would any of the Stream Deck mods over at flightsim.to give you the type of view that you are looking for? I know that they require a tablet or similar, but if just viewing the gauges more easily is the object of the exercise, one of these may help -especially the one that includes the Garmin screen. Just a thought.
Yes it would be nice to be able to move the PFD and MFD with control bezel to another screen or over top in each corner so we can control and make adjustments not just view the display.
I know it is not the answer to the solution, but maybe take a look at SIM Dashboard for Android, it does it’s job pretty well, also maybe Peix GlassCockpit To Sim or GA Panel
Ridiculous, only the PFD screen moves, but no function able!
Would it be 2 or 3D what we want is an WORKABLE cockpit view independent from the windscreen view, will it be steam gauges or glass cockpit. deplaceable windows like radio stack, center console, external view or else will add to truthness and immersion. As of now, you can just move a PFD “image” rendered unuseable as it has no working switches! The use of a trackir improves experience, but try to look for a switch on the panel, or look at the radio to change the freq. and you loose your front view, thankfully itis not like that in real life. We loose in flight pleasure nearly as much as we gain in view quality. the world representation is marvellous, but it’s no more a SIM, it’s a game!
I won’t vote here. The cockpit is 3d in real life, so it is an improvement - by definition - over 2d. You also cannot “hide” or “minimize” the cockpit gauges in real life. Cockpit and windshield in front of you, with the cockpit dashboard covering part of your view… it is all realistic.
I think the issue is camera movement and mouse actions ! The picture is real, not the actual action. If you want that realistically, you should use external hardware that replaces the on screen cockpit controls.
A 2D cockpit option (or breakout) would solve the problems discussed here. That is for sure. As you say, a big issue is that when using a mouse to select or control functions (HDG bug, etc) when banking, in turbulence, etc. the cockpit moves under the mouse, popup text occurs, and it makes it very difficult to select or turn anything. THAT is not real life and needs to be fixed. The scenery should move, not the cockpit.
Does Anyone Else Miss 2D Cockpits?
No!
I understand your post from a visual perspective but how do you deal with (for instance) turning a HDG or ALT bug while the aircraft is moving slightly due to turbulence, banking, etc? How do keep the mouse positioned? Or do you strictly fly VFR and not deal with much AP or NAV functions?
If you setup a camera view to zoom in on the panel to make it at least easier, then you lose all view of the outside. So you give up real-world perspective and control of panel functions to have a realistic looking cockpit. A balance is what is needed. Switching to 2D would supply that, when needed in critical situations, setting frequencies, adjusting AP settings, etc. I don’t see why anyone would NOT want that flexibility. In other words, the flexibility of having the ease of control like past sims but with the realism of this new sim. The best of both worlds.
2D overhead panel is definitely a must for for people having a touchscreen for the overhead - and AirManager currently seems to only provide one for the XPlane Zibo 737. It should be pretty easy to deliver at least a 2D Overhead panel with every jet (yet we know that even PMDG didn’t deliver on that starting with their 777, for reasons that remain unclear - using a 3D view for that is at least a possible workaround)
Still nothing new here. I would recommend the team of ASOBO to visit a real flight training center. Then they might recognize that a full flight simulator does in fact have bezels and buttons. Might be impressive and unbelievible for them as their team has most likely only seen these very rare real world aircraft being controlled with a keyboard and a mouse. Of couse these rare aircraft do have a window with a HUD presenting all the physical cockpit instruments on the windshield. Maybe they thought about redundance, which is actually important in aviation. Sarcasm off
Thanks for your input. you emphazise my point of view. All the views of P3D , and the landscape of MSFS will satisfy everybody. ( as long as they succeed getting the bridges over the water, and some wakes when using a floatplane!).
Regards.
I have and am building a new functioning gage panel. Do not want to look at a 3d panel in the main outside view as well ! Moving the camera distorts the view for multi displays. Just painful the undocking gage’s, being able to move them to another display so the outside view is clean option was not thought of and put in MSFS 2020 initially. Last i checked they are working on it but has a late 2021, 2022 date.
Definitely at least an overhead panel in 2D is needed for every jet (though that is sorely lacking in P3D in XPlane too for many). If one has a bit of a homecockpit witth an overhead panel screen, one does not want to burn FPS by displaying another 3D view there, a 2D view of the overhead is perfect and sufficient.
Im using air manager for my 2d’s. ino they are back in the xplane days but they are adding a lot of fs20 stuff. if u want a steam dash thats the easiest way i found
Man you nailed it! Got to wonder if the developers ever actually use FS. Its almost as if FS2020 was designed by executives at Google Earth who have zero interest in simulating actual flight.
From a user’s experience, they should have just taken FSX and upgraded the scenery. FSX allows having a 2D functional panel in my lower monitor (laptop) and a fully unobstructed view in my upper (much larger) external monitor. This ability has been strangely eliminated in FS2020. With FS2020, all I can get is a beautiful but completely non-functional display of the screen in my lower monitor (use ALT-click on the G1000 of the cockpit view). To do use any of the knobs I have to zoom close to the panel in cockpit view while keeping the aircraft in trim using only the Garmin display in the lower monitor - since looking out the windscreen is impossible when the cockpit zoom is high enough to see the controls. It helps immensely that the instructions appear when hovering over the knob or button, but just finding the button is a chore since the labels are unreadable in any zoom level that allows looking out of the window at the same time.
Apparently most do miss the 2d panels since the knobs and switches in 3D cockpit are nearly invisibly small at any useable zoom level.