Great live weather transition / METAR blending

Who said they can’t predict fog accurate? Where i live it’s fog right now and it’s also predicted. Was long time ago it was foggy weather here. But now it is. No METAR evailable on my local airport.

Too sad it’s not in the sim.

I think they need to look up their servers/data to send correct data for us. Because neither Meteoblue or METAR matches the weather we have in the sim :man_shrugging: Here we can totally see the weather that is predicted is not injected propperly in the sim.

Then my question is. Why not fix that first and maybe then implement METAR if it’s needed? I think that would fix many problems with weather such as Winds, preassure, temp, clouds and many more things.

I can’t blame prediction/Meteoblue now actually. I can’t blame METAR either. But i found it useless if Asobo could get correct data injected instead.

Here i show how to use that cross-section tool on the weather map on Meteoblue for those who want to use that.

Also exists for icing/clear air turbulence prediction. Just switch tab to CAT/Icing

Would be so much more improvement in weather if they actually got all of that data corectly injected into the sim instead of working on those simple METARS.

We can plan using Meteoblue homepage. Easy to do. I only wish they could get all of those planning tools integrated into the sim it self. They have Meteoblue as a partner why not get help from them implementing those things?

You bring up an interesting idea about server load affecting the weather. It’s true that my simming is usually done later in the evening; I’m a night owl and when I jump in the sim, it’s after the rest of the family has gone to bed. I’m west coast US, so we’re usually talking around 0700z. I wonder if that’s a low server load time? Maybe thats’s why I seem to have better results?

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Moved to #self-service:weather

Um… and why did you think it was a good idea to just move my post, without asking or apparently bothering to read it :wink: ?

This isn’t a community help post. It does not belong in the community help area of the forum. No one is recommending techniques for others to try.

It’s a general discussion of the weather generation system in MSFS.

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What on earth does this have to do with “Community Help”?

Can’t you just move it again by editing your first post?
Might just be a mistake, it happens. :slightly_smiling_face:

Dunno. Maybe we’ll find out ;). I guess we’ll wait for a response first though, as it WAS moved by a mod. I can see fighting with that resulting in it getting deleted altogether, which would be a shame as a lot of people have shared a lot of good info here.

which also moves the post out of General Discussion and into a more focused subforum.

Yes, however that subsection resides in “Community Help”, which I think is what doesn’t make sense to us. Does it sound like any of these things are occurring in this thread?

What’s been occurring here IS “general discussion.”

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This is why we need to keep the weather engine locked to third parties. Let Asobo keep massaging it. This is fantastic default weather!

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Flying around south Brazil and had a nice weather transition LoL

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Why is those transitions needed? Does it make the weather more accurate? Never seen any kind of sudden transitions pre su7. Are they intended to work like this now? Not seen a fix for it since su7 but it is stated as a bug.

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I’m not sure why this is posted as a response to me?

But yes, if the weather is changing to more correctly represent the real world weather at that place at that time, then it is making the weather more accurate.

Obviously the transition should be smoothed - and it usually is, as evidenced by the fact that this weather popping occurs MUCH less frequently than it used to. You do still see it occasionally though, so obviously they’ve still got work to do.

Personally, I’d certainly take an occasional hard transition over pretty but inaccurate weather…

" …Personally, I’d certainly take an occasional hard transition over pretty but inaccurate weather… "

I’m seeing it the opposite way - I’d rather have slightly less accurate representation than having sudden/quick transitions like that. It just ruins the immersion for me…with a slight incorrect depiction, you would never be able to tell the difference , as long as it looks plausible…

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I’m sure you’d be happy for there to be hard transitions every 2 minutes from clear skies to 50 metre visibility and back again if that’s what the metar reported, not caring if it might be a bird pooping on the weather station at one that caused it.

Point is it’s jarring and unrealistic to the flight to have these sudden transitions. But then I guess the consistency isn’t an issue you for you. As long as the holy metars are correctly shown.

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I’m not sure why the anger here.

Yes, I’d take the occasional noticeable transition as long as I can use real-world tools for flight planning and execution, and use this sim on Vatsim. These things bring far more immersion and realism for me than a steady appearance of the sky. Maybe it’s because I’ve used real sims as an instructor and student for years, and I see them more as a tool than as entertainment, I don’t know.

Obviously the best case scenario is that we have both accurate weather, and smooth transitions. Like my OP in this thread shows is possible… hence the point of the whole thread. I’ve already proven it’s not an either/or proposition.

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Yes, it’s puzzling to me you still don’t ‘get the anger’, despite it being laid out ad nauseam on here and Avsim.

So, being the glutton for punishment that I am I’ll give it one more go but I think that’s my limit.

I don’t know what percentage of MSFS users my experience will resonate with, but I have a feeling it’s not small and may be a majority. I’ve been using sims for many years (FS9, FSX, Microsoft Flight, XPlane 10 / 11, DCS, IL2) and the weather tech has been stagnant for much of that time. Definitely improved, but still marked by poor (usually 2D) cloud depiction of limited layers, and very sudden transitions between metar zones with that metar weather now being translated to the whole world (this is for platforms that even had live weather). In short, never got to see weather in the distance and plan accordingly, or even enjoy flying into and out of, for example, a front. A very unsatisfactory experience, only slightly improved by sometimes very expensive add-ons (X-Enviro cost more than XPlane).

For it’s first few versions, MSFS solved many of these problems and offered an experience never seen in any previous platforms. Consistent weather, clouds that looked real and displayed in many layers, and we could finally experience the anticipation of as we flew towards. Sure, if you compare to local real-time reports they would often be off, but that didn’t matter in producing a consistent and realistic experience.

That has now gone, and it looks like possibly for good. Cloud depiction has narrowed to mostly cumuloforms with, on a good day some stratus (although these are usually just bottom-flattened cumuloforms). We seem to be getting a maximum of 3 layers, usually just 1. Any fronts that might be shown in the distance are highly likely to suddenly change to cumuloforms or volcanic ash everywhere as you get closer. In short, you can never relax and enjoy the sky (good or bad weather so don’t start with that ‘pretty weather’ nonsense again) as it first appears because you know at any moment the whole sky could change in an instance. This is very far from the realistic experience we once had.

I understand that people who want to follow procedures need metars and don’t begrudge you that at all. But you already had an option (REX). Now you’re trying to tell the rest of us who are so disappointed that what we once had has probably gone for good that you don’t understand why we’re so disappointed and that things are going to be better than ever. Do you seriously think they’re going to get rid of transitions, or even smooth them to the point they’re no longer an issue for those of us who want a consistent sky?

I agree there have been improvements recently, and sometimes skies those stunningly real experiences pop up (had a great one of hazy low cloud and rain over Hawaii last week), but there’s always the anxiety, often realized, that the sky can change back to those fecking volcanic ash clouds at any moment.

You haven’t proven it’s an either / or proposition. Just that you’re very happy the desperately problematic metar system is now better represented and that transitions are getting slightly smoother.

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You are correct. I have in fact proven that it is NOT an either/or proposition, as evidenced by my photo and video content. This is the whole point.

I don’t know why you’d find it surprising that I think they will be able to eliminate harsh transitions, considering that - again - the whole point of this thread is that the sim is capable of the smooth weather transitions that you speak of in only past tense. The reality is that they are the norm, and the popping transitions are the exception, and this is continuing to improve.

So yes, we CAN have both pretty and accurate skies. That’s what the OP on this thread shows, so what I mean when I say I don’t understand the anger, is that I don’t understand the angry proclamations, on this thread especially, claiming that the very thing this thread exists to highlight somehow isn’t possible or doesn’t occur. This clearly is simply not true.

We used to have pretty skies now we have this,

It is an embarrassment.

Sorry, brain ■■■■ on my part there. I meant to say you have NOT proven it’s NOT an either / or thing. Just because something can happen, doesn’t mean that it usually happens.

We can patently NOT have consistent skies. Perhaps we can have skies that are accurate to this metar, and accurate to the next one. But we cannot, and I can’t see ever will, have skies again that are consistent across wide areas, and don’t need a jarring transition between. YOU may not be jarred, and the transitions may be smooth enough for YOUR tolerance, but I promise you they are not for many of us, most of the time.

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