Having two of same hardware resets controls each flight

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ISSUE DESCRIPTION

Description of the issue:
I have two Logitech throttle quadrants. Each of them has its own custom “airplanes control” preset. Each time I start a flight the first one keeps its control profile but the second one defaults to the starting profile.

[PC Only] Did you remove all your community mods/add-ons? If yes, are you still experiencing the issue?
I don’t have any mods yet.

FREQUENCY OF ISSUE

How often does this occur for you (Example: Just once, every time on sim load, intermittently)?
Every flight

REPRODUCTION STEPS

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  1. Have two of the same throttle (two Logitech throttle quadrants for me)
  2. Create 2 custom “airplanes controls” presets and set one as default on each piece of hardware.
  3. Start a flight in any airplane
  4. Open the controls settings and go to the second piece of hardware. The “Airplane controls” preset will be reset to the default one.

YOUR SETTINGS

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What peripherals are currently plugged in? Please name all of them as there could be a potential conflict.
Mouse
Keyboard
T-Rudder
T.16000M
Saitek Pro Flight Throttle Quadrant
Saitek Pro Flight Throttle Quadrant

[PC Only] Are you using Developer Mode or have you made any changes to it?
No

[PC, MSFS 2020 Only] Are you using DX11 or DX12?

[PC Only] What GPU (Graphics Card) do you use?
RTX 3060 12GB

[PC Only] What other relevant PC specs can you share?
i7 11700f
32 GB Ram
MSFS Installed on 2TB SSD

MEDIA

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I’m guessing you use for twin engine piston like I did for many many years with no duplicate bindings.
Can both be set as default?
What happens if you don’t set either to default?

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The second quadrant sets itself to default each time I start a flight. I use my left one for speed brakes plus engine 1 and 2 and the right one for engines 3 and 4 plus the flaps. The default controls for the quadrant is lever one controlling all engines throttle, lever two controlling all engines prop, and lever three controlling all engines mixture. If both are set to default they fight each other as they are both trying to control the same setting.

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I’ve had the exact same thing happen with my two Saiteks. Trying to see if there’s a way to rename the device to avoid this.

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If it shows 2 seperately, thats a good start as it’s seeing them individually.
Run though each and every section for mapping duplicates on both quads.

What can not happen, same as 2020, fsx and prior, is to have anything mapped the same. Saitec is horrible for wierd preprogramed mappings in the throttle quads especially.

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Good idea even if it doesn’t help. Save many headaches trying to remember which one has what mapped :crazy_face:

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Same problem here with 2x T.16000M (one for flying and the second one for some buttons and slider)
I have separate profiles setup for both.
Profile for the second T.16000M needs to be set manually before every flight as it doesn’t stay on the profile I set previously.

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I have 2 vkb quads now but I haven’t set them up yet.
Work keeps getting in the way.
I’ll try them asap also.

May not be an issue as they are linked together with a fsm
And seen as one peripheral.

Updated.
As i thought, beacuse the vkb quads are linked, they are seen as one peripheral. No issues.

Hang in there!

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Do you have the same issue if you follow the OP’s steps to reproduce it?
• I have the same problem with two Saitek/Logitech quadrants. The settings for the second quadrant do not persist.

Provide extra information to complete the original description of the issue:
• I also have a Saitek yoke, but both quadrants are connected via USB. I have tried the quadrants connected to a single USB hub and two different hubs.

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Do you have the same issue if you follow the OP’s steps to reproduce it?
• YES, i also use two saitek/logitech throttle quadrants

Provide extra information to complete the original description of the issue:
• It is just as he said, even if the profile on the the second throttle is set to Default and applied to all planes.

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After playing around with this more it seems that this problem only occurs when one the first flight and after changing planes. If I do two flights in the same plane my settings do not reset.

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Same issue here, I use two peripherals (in my case controllers of Saitek Cyborg joysticks) that have the same name but different deviceIds in Windows.
MSFS 2020 kept these two apart, so stuff configured on one controller did not affect the other.

Now in 2024, randomly when starting MSFS the control bindings of one controller seem to move to the other one. Apparently MSFS 2024 does not include the deviceId when keeping track of devices but only their names, resulting in this mess.

As I said, MSFS 2020 had no issue here, neither do other tools like AxisAndOhs. It’s just a regression in 2024.

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Same issue for me, I also have the two Saitek/Logitech Throttle Quadrants. The second one always reverts back to a default profile while the first one keeps its set profile. Sadly I can’t circumvent with Axis and Ohs because prohibiting changes in default profiles will keep functions assigned to buttons and axis and thus you can’t just map them empty in MSFS and replace them by AAO.

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Do you have the same issue if you follow the OP’s steps to reproduce it?
• Yes
Provide extra information to complete the original description of the issue:
• The profile for these two devices revert to the one or the other depending on which is enumerated first:
Saitek Pro Flight Throttle Quadrant #1
Saitek Pro Flight Throttle Quadrant #2

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I have the same problem with my VKB Gladiator Evo Joytick with the addon THQ throttle quadrant attached. Both are listed in MS2024 as VKBSim Gladiator Evo R THQ.

The First entry, which is the joystick device, has all flight controls mapped to it. It also has the throttle and propeller controls. This is because VKB allows for a certain number of axes per device, so I had to assign the mixture control axis to the second entry in the MS2024 control list.

In the second entry, all I mapped was the mixture control.

When making any flight at all, either free flight or missions or anything else, I always have to go back to settings, controls, and reset the second device back to the mixture control profile. It always resets the airplane profile, which contains the mixture bindings, to NONE. It will NOT stick, even if I set it as default.

Asobo, please fix this bug. In MSFS 2020, I also had two entries for this same joystick/throttle quadrant setup, but the settings stuck, like they should.

Thanks,
Bill

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I really hope this bug gets logged soon to have it fixed. This is a massive regression for those who have been using a certain set of peripherals for years now and in 2024 suddenly can’t without added workload on every sim start.

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Same problem here with two Saitek Throttle quadrants. I have to reset the second one to None at the start of each flight, regardless of which aircraft I am using. I set it to None, select “Apply to All Aircraft,” but on the next flight it has been reset to Saitek Throttle Quadrant.

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Thank you for the bug report.

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