High End Upgrade - wasted

Oh boy :frowning:
But they tried it with your RAM that was blue screening? Didn’t they see the issue at all? Didn’t they suggest what could be done or offer to try some other brands of RAM?

What company was it again?

I guess for you now, if you can be bothered, is buy some other brand of RAM on Amazon (or where you can refund it no questions asked). Try it. If it doesn’t work send it back for a refund and buy another brand in the mean time (if you can wait the days for the money of first kit to come back). Keep doing that until you find a kit that works. Then be very cautious about doing any future bios updates even if they sound better.

I thought my problems with G.Skill would be solved with the most recent revision but it was the same boot fail, and even worse with my other previous RAM that WAS working (can’t remember what happened now but I flashed back to the revision I’m still on now and it’s back to ā€œnormalā€ since then, but still yeah sod knows). Platform is just flaky!! I thought tech was supposed to get better over time but this is like the dark ages again suddenly.

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I haven’t read everything, but it seems odd that it’s showing a picture of an xbox controller. Do you have any other peripherals plugged in?

Yes, there have unfortunately been quite a few issues with the AM5 platform and associated products since launch. Really keen myself to build a new PC with the 7800x3d cpu but regrettably not convinced yet the platform is sufficiently stable.

Oh no I had my fingers crossed for you.

It could be worth giving it another try because today’s MSFS update has apparently fixed a lot of crashes:

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Official response. I’ll await it’s return and see what’s what.

Oh ok :crossed_fingers:. Well hopefully I’ll have the board back in the next day or two and see those fixes integrated my issue.

No, I’ve found that odd too. It’s a clean install of the sim. Nothing but the keyboard, mouse and wifi were connected.

It’ll be interesting when I get the MB back if I still see that xbox controller

If I bought another set of Ram that would be the fourth! So I want to avoid that. I can’t see three previous set of rams faulty. I did a memtest on the latest ones and all came back with a pass.

I may contact Asus again if the issue continues.

Only things left now are CPU, GPU, PSU. Well there is there is the storage but that too is a New 1tb samsung 980 pro.

I had that weird xbox controller thing when I first installed too. It went away without me having to do anything so I don’t think that’s related to your crashes tbh.

Sorry man - I’ll have to re-read the thread. Different brands and models?

But yes, do try SU13 - you never know!!

I feel your pain. It’s so so frustrating!!! Don’t give up…

I don’t trust these mass-build companies too much. They test within their very specific rules. They won’t really do what is best for the ā€œcustomerā€ - basically they just want to prove the basics that what they provided is not TECHNICALLY broken, but doesn’t mean in PRACTICE it works for the customer IN THEIR USE CASE. But they don’t want to do anything unusual on their end (I suppose coz it takes more time and effort). I got led up the garden path by Cyberpower but it is what it is… probably go for new core components in a few years as a total upgrade. My case is OK at least! Well, until they sent it back (after not even really testing what I asked them to and what they promised they would… ā€œa miscommunicationā€ā€¦ yeah right!) and it got dented a bit. So that was a waste of time!

Yes, if it’s trying to use an xbox driver to control your peripherals, I guess that could crash it.

Yeah I tend to agree with you. I’m really surprised the issue isn’t with the motherboard if 4x sets of RAM have been tested already. There’s only really the processor left.

I understand you couldn’t run Windows 11 without crashing - perhaps you should just ask them to get that corrected? Chances are that a fix for that issue will also fix the simulator for you.

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I’m interested to see what bios version is running. August saw an update for most boards (Mine was late only just came) to Agesa 1.0.0.7c. This update specifically targets memory with samsung I.C’s. They have been failing to boot with jedec. This update targets that for compatibility. Apparently it is a samsung mess-up. But this would get things booting if that was the case. Samsung makes memory for all companies, g-skill, corsair, all of them. Sounds like a mini-nightmare.

I don’t think i need to say more…


GPU problems?

Please say more …

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Im seriously considering selling the entire unit and buying a pre built one. I’ve done every test possible, reinstalled practically every application, had the PC tested at two different locations, retuned and replaced 3 different ram components. Had the MB tested and returned. Theres only so much I can do.

Where does the issue exist? Who’s takes responsibility? Microsoft? Nvidia? Asus? Samsung? Msi? Amd? Corsair?

It’s endless and to be honest just an exhausting effort with it all.

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I sympathise with you. This kind of fault is maddening.

In terms of ā€˜who takes responsibility’, the simple (and unfortunate) answer is, you do. Unless you can prove a hardware fault that would trigger a replacement of a part under warranty, none of the manufacturers are going to take responsibility; Scan won’t do more than it’s already done; and while MS has a support operation for MSFS, at the end of the day the EULA has the usual ā€˜sold without warranty of any kind’ language.

Something is wrong with this system. It absolutely should run Windows 11. The fact that it doesn’t, but will run Win10, was an absolute and immediate red flag for me when you first posted.

You’ve tested the RAM enough to be happy that it’s not a RAM problem, despite the original Memtest errors (I presume that was with the first kit?). Scan has tested the MB, although TBH I would only be happy with a full test including all the other parts in your system, whereas I assume they tested with their own test bench (did you leave the CPU / RAM on the MB when you sent it back, or did they use their own kit?).

You can do a test of exclusion using the current system but with the GPU swapped out for your previous one. If you get the same symptoms with that GPU, then it’s not the new GPU, and it’s highly unlikely to be GPU drivers as I believe you’ve tested multiple versions.

Basically, my own problem-solving gut says it’s the MB (despite what Scan says) or the CPU, or the specific combination of both. That said, I did see an error event from Defrag on your screenshots above. You should check that one out in case it points to a disk error.

Is recovering as much of the value of the system as you can important to you? You’ve already bought multiple RAM sets, but would you go as far as to buy a new CPU to test it? It could be re-sold if it doesn’t improve the situation. Same with the MB. You mention selling the whole thing, but the likelihood is that the next owner will have problems too, assuming they want to run Win11 which TBH they should do. I’d feel bad selling something I believed was likely to fail unless I explicitly told potential buyers about that when selling.

I’ll be slightly controversial here and suggest that the current AMD platform is not as stable as it needs to be. That’s why I stuck with Intel for my latest build, despite there being measurable improvements for MSFS with the x3D processors. Maybe, if you want to abandon the whole thing, there’s the possibility of keeping the parts that will work with any system (GPU, NVMe etc), selling the bits that won’t, and buying an Intel MB and CPU combo. Of course, high-end 13th gen CPUs are still expensive and 14th gen is coming Real Soon Now, but the price/performance ratio has been worth it for me.

That said, I still had random CTDs in-game with my Intel system after being rock-solid stable for months, and I eventually pinned that one down to RAM. When I have four modules installed versus two (I doubled up after I first built it), I have to turn down the RAM speed or I get occasional read errors which can cause the sim to glitch or crash. Since dropping the RAM down from XMPII to stock, I’ve been stable. DDR5 is a bit of a minefield generally, especially at the higher rated speeds.

So, if it were me: I’d buy a new MB (from a different manufacturer), test it, and if I still had the same problems I would then replace the CPU. I’d think about recovering the value through selling the good spare parts later (or just keep them for another build), but I am privileged to be able to afford to spend a lot of money without worrying too much about the immediate impact on my finances. If replacing both MB and CPU didn’t fix the problem, I’d throw the whole lot at the wall, curl up in the fetal position, and then start again with a new system on a different platform (ie Intel).

Whatever you decide to do, I really hope you end up with a system soon that is stable and gives you the performance uplift you want.

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I sympathise. It must be exhausting.

Thing is I am intending to go the same route as you and building it myself (amd 7800x3d, am5 platform) rather than go the pre built route which I have always done previously. You can’t choose the components you want with the pre built ones and it is the draw of this that is making me go this route.

That said, I am far from happy that this amd platform is yet stable and I might yet wait 'till next year for the next gen 8000 amd cpus and MB’s to come out. Even then though I will still have concerns in my ability to track down the cause of an unstable PC just like yourself. There are so many things that can make a PC unstable and that is even without the hassle of tracking down dodgy PC components. Hopefully, I will have a bit more luck than you. Crossed fingers :+1: