1… to a good portion of people it makes modifications to game settings and they had no clue it does this.
2. The filters aspect is niche (If you need it then by all means download it. Just make sure you know what your doing)
3. For nvidia products you are best served overclocking with the MSI Afterburner / Rivatuner combination.
Any program that is going to be changing game settings based on what it thinks is best is a hard pass for me. I know it can be turned off but if im not going to use it or any of the filtering stuff then why have it on my system in the first place ?
Well I was suggesting the Capitalised “do NOT use” phrase was a bit misleading.
It will only change your game settings if you let it, and as I said there are some useful parts of it that people may miss out on if they are given the impression it’s bad.
I’m sure there are many options for overclocking which could achieve similar or better results but this one seems to do a reasonable mild overclock with no hassle and with all the other useful tools I mentioned in one app.
again, again and again - MSFS is simply not optimized or it has been optimized in the wrong direction - you could try 100000 solutions and workaorunds - even if you had a NASA computer the performance would not be better.
Unfortunately, this has deteriorated significantly in the course of the update on the high-end machines - or they are trying to make MSFS run better on less powerful systems.
I’ve been through all the phases including Alpha and I’ve had better results with my old CPU and the 2080Ti.
With my current system Intel 10940X @4.7 GHz, 3090Ti, 64GB RAM and all SSD’s, 150 Mbit connection, the CPU is at 18-25% utilisation, graphics card at 60-70% and the utilisation of the graphics card memory is at about 50% (was already significantly higher in the previous versions, so something was changed there)!
To explain it simply - it’s a Ferrari with 50 hp instead of 600 hp - and you can still change the tyres, optimize the chassis etc. but with 50 hp it won’t do 300 Km/h, quite simply. The only hope is DX12, maybe it will be a bit better there.
I have also tried everything to exclude system errors, reinstallation (System/Windows/MSFS, tried all tips and tricks) and it is once again a “FSX - P3D - etc - deja vu” - 19FPS on approach (in a good mood ) - in 2021 and with this hardware actually unacceptable - if I may say so - but as I have already noted - it was better before !
I have a rez5 and GTX1660 and fly in Ultra mode with cloud volumetric set to high as well as cockpit refresh and have no issues. FpS runs 60 to 90. Even in bad weather.
Perhaps I could have said that clearer, but do note my use of a comma and additional part of the sentence you failed to include in your quote. “Do NOT use Geforce Experience, download the package from Nvidia or your video card maker.” I use the Geforce Experience app, I don’t know any other easy way to toggle between the Games Ready driver and the Studio driver. I simply meant do not use it to update your drivers. Do that manually from a downloaded driver.
GeForce Experience isn’t the problem trust me. The manual vs. automatic driver arguments are pretty old hat imo. I have a program that wipes the old install prior to downloading the new one.
This is kind of my point with this entire thread is this community comes up with a billion different answers for one problem and that shouldn’t be the case. The game is poorly optimized end of story.
Considering i am getting 30-35fps on high to ultra settings on a 5 year old PC pretty much shows that not to be true… If you’re not willing to get to the bottom of the issue, why even post this question?
Congrats on being one of very few that doesn’t experience constant issues with the sim. I’ve tried 99% of what everyone has suggested here but some of these suggestions are a massive reach.
What i’m trying to tell you is that this is not a simple issue of the sim being poorly optimized. As such, there is great value in trying to figure this out.
It is as simple as the sim being miserably optimized (wouldn’t even say poorly is an accurate term for the issue) and there is nothing but wasted time in troubleshooting the one billion “solutions” people have come up with here. Thanks for your input though.
Just a simple suggestion, whenever I get low FPS in FS2020 I check the load on my GPU. When GPU is way under 100%, something is going on. Has happened to me 3 times now. A quick fix I have found is to hit “reset to defaults” on the Graphics settings options screen. The reset seems to totally fix the GPU utilisation , then I have to go and tweak them again. So if you have an amazing GPU , try the reset option and see what happens. Also V-Sync stops my GPU from maxing out so I make sure that is off also.
seriously… someone was offended by this post to have it hidden from the public??? I’m re-pasting it because whoever “flagged” this was being ridiculous. People can have opinions on the product and if the opinion is that the sim is Broken that shouldn’t be “hidden” that should be addressed.
original post by lightbearer793:
All this is irrelevant. When MSFS was released it was indicated which hardware is required or recommended.
Now the entire sim has been broken by several updates what proves that the whole product was released and sold (!) to the customer in an unfinished state of development.
If I would by a new car that turns out to be some unfinished thing that actually doesn’t work, I would return it and demand my money back.
I can’t say what other people’s experiences are or what their problems stem from or how they can fix them.
But in my case this is repeatable. I’ve gone through this FOUR times. Every time I update my drivers in the geforce experience I get 10fps. When I do a “clean” install from downloaded drivers I go back to normal fps. I’m not saying the geforce experience is causing the issue inherently for sure. I was thinking it might simply be a clean install vs express install. But I did test a clean install from geforce experience and it did seems to fix the 10fps for one MSFS session. But next time I started MSFS it was back to 10fps. Installed clean from a file and it’s back to normal fps and has stayed that way for several MSFS sessions and at least one reboot. I am not saying this will fix everyone’s serious performance issues, but if someone can’t find a solution, this is certainly one I’d recommend people try.
the problem is therefore not the geforce experience, it is a problem of the version of the driver and the way to install: some drivers are unsuitable for MSFS (at least not optimized), and a quick installation does not improve things.
The difference is geforce experience. Same driver, both using clean install. I can’t say anyone else is effected by this in particular. But in my case it’s repeatable and consistent. The only way I update drivers is by downloaded files, if I use geforce experience I will be at 10fps the next time I start msfs (three times), or the second one after that (once). Four times total. You folks can believe what you want. I believe my own eyes and reasonably methodical testing. If I go back to 10fps after a manual driver install I’ll let you know, but haven’t had that happen once so far.
I tried using Geforce Experience and I regretted it, and went straight back to ignoring it. It was trying to optimise my FS2020 as Low settings, so I changed it to Ultra (since I have a 3080 as well), and it went to 1 frame per second. When I put it back to default and used the Ultra settings in the simulator, I went back up to 30-40 FPS.
I use Geforce Experience to update drivers, but not for optimizing game settings.
not for this one anyway (at home, it works well for all my games, but for this one, it offers me a low setting despite an i9, 32 ram and a 2080ti while manually, I am in ultra for most and high for the rest)
I don’t use the optimize feature. I tried it once and it pretty much set everything to low. I have a 3080 and nvidia thinks I should run low settings? I mean, my CPU is old, but I can run much better settings than low! But the optimize feature selectable and I just leave that alone. No problem.
I’ve use geforce experience updating for years without an major issues I recall. This is a recent thing. I seems to have started with one of the recent MSFS updates. Not immediately after, but I think it was one of the small updates after WU4 France. No other game or sim I’ve tried (admittedly not many) is dramatically slower, juse MSFS. But reinstalling the driver with a clean install fixed my problem? But not if I use geforce experience? None of that makes much sense. But with this software, any strange thing can happen it seems.
Ryzen 3000 series still has some latency issues in games and does not perform as good as even an i5-9600K (9th generation) in MSFS.
If you could, I would upgrade to a Ryzen 7 5800X, since the 5000 series is giving Intel a beating in single core in gaming.
You might be going through other issues, but the Ryzen 3000 series was not a good choice for gaming alone. It might be ahead in some games, but Intel still beats it overall.
) - in 2021 and with this hardware actually unacceptable - if I may say so - but as I have already noted - it was better before !