The evidence is in the MSFS2020. They listened to us and made all the possible changes they could with it. Goodness knows how many times they tried to appease us. The evidence is also the clouds in 2024. I am also old enough to remember the community wanting cirrus. We have them now. As well as the clouds generally being better than “what was promised to us” when 2020 launched.
If you have been here from the launch of 2020 you would have the empirical evidence.
I have been and you haven’t shown any.
Did they not patch 2020 every single month based on our our bug- and wishlists?
Not even close.
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Right, so what did they do? Nothing?
In an effort to stay on topic, this is my final response to this exchange.
Sure, they would ‘fix’ something and break something else. But, this topic is about FS24. Still haven’t seen evidence of fixing happening. Hope they do, but something tells me not to hold my breath.
Out.
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You want evidence of them “fixing” something? They literally just fixed the career missions just a few days ago, completely on the server side. I was one of those who reported the issue. What have you done? What are the issues you have problems with?
Specifically on the OP’s subject:
My personal gripe with the current state of FS2024, (and that of 2020 also, though that maybe appears relatively fine in recent comparison) is not that it is by itself “offensively defective”, with all the bugs and issues.
Were that the case, all… well, most (ok, some) of us would be very well ok with leaving bad enough alone… but that’s not quite it, is it?
The issue with MSFS “being bad” is rather:
It’s that ONE CHANCE in twice as many decades, that a big investment gets made in this direction.
And they’re quite honestly, bungling it spectacularly.
The FlightSim industry is a rather niche hobby. Not merely a “game with airplanes in it” as large publishers have historically made the mistake of believing (see “Microsoft Flight”). The general mindset of the FS crowd is most dissimilar to the “average gamer”, though this is apparently nowhere near obvious enough to percolate all the way up to higher executive management.
How long will it take, after a disaster of “Microsoft Flight All Over Again” proportions, before any big money movers decide that Flight Simulators are worth trying one more time?
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We are very much skeptical that the typical “power person” type executive of the present generation, is capable of discerning such a flop in terms of “where did WE mess up that it all failed?” vs. “players just don’t seem to like this sort of thing, let’s move on…”
On top of that, the frankly, quite absurd level of uncommunication from Asobo leaves only an empty void for us to shove in all our most uncomfortable “OMG, I hope this isn’t really WHY…” explanation scenarios.
That once-void has become a pressure cooker of disillusion and not-at-all unfounded distrust.
That’s really why it bothers me so much that Asobo is making a huge pig’s ear out of this. They were handed a 40-year-long legacy. Once a bit of a pet project of none other than Bill Gates himself. And they’re (no way to sugar coat this) ruining it.
A release like this has all the makings of stuff commonly associated with “Cyberpunk 2077” or “Everything by EA/Activision/Ubisoft in the last 20 years”, or worse yet: “KSP 2”… Don’t get me started on that last one. It gets personal there, long story…
I’m pretty sure NONE of us want to see that. I know I really really don’t.
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In short: Flight Sims (games in general, rly) are not like toothpaste. If one brand lets you down, there’s no just-as-good competitor to choose instead on the same shelf.
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MSFS has effectively only ONE direct competitor. We all know the one.
Alas, the attention of the surrounding FS industry happens to be all committed to the promised “Return of The Once Great Franchise™” and thus, alternative platforms get seriously drained of much desired 3rd party efforts.
In this sense, yes. If MSFS lets us down, then we ALL suffer. Even those who try (and in my own case at least, generally managed) to set up a near-full-value alternative.
Still, it’s not really all the same… Even though I’ve personally managed to get XP12 looking every bit as good, scenery-wise as MSFS. It still suffers from the much smaller community, which manifests as far fewer addons and related developments at any given time.
At least for the foreseeable future…
That’s why I kinda still care, mostly. But that’s my tale. I’m sure everyone else has got their own…
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Literally “THEY” didn’t fix anything on career missions. Ironically, the last “fix” was to correct an error themselves introduced with a “patch”.
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Literally they did. I have no idea what you mean by “nothing”. I had no VIP missions and I complained about it in the bug section here in the forums. Now I have them.
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Quality control at Microsoft has never been so low.
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I have been simming the whole day, what is the “low quality”?
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Hi,
I spent 20+ years running a simulator for professional research and I am giving up on this product. 2020 is flyable and stable. 2024 is poorly constructed right from the start of memory management… even people with 16GB cards have problems.
Enough said as I have wasted enough time. Putting the stick away for 6 months and see what comes out. I am not optimistic.
JY
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Friend,
Remember that beauty, (or its lack), is in the eyes of the beholder.
I usually don’t have issues because I’m a simple man and I fly simple planes in simple ways - and that’s usually enough for me.
But I’m not the only person who plays the sim. There are those who want a richer experience. They want to fly tubeliners in virtual airlines, fighter jets, or helicopter rescue missions hitting all the buttons, checklists, procedures, and everything else. And it has become painfully obvious that the more complicated the aircraft, the more complicated the detail, and the more complex the scenario the more rapidly MSFS 24 goes into the dumper.
And as I see it, the real problem isn’t the state of the game itself, it’s the mismanagement of our expectations.
If we had been told “We’re putting it out so we get traction and feedback from the field” things would be fine.
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Some say it is about honesty. Like that Asobo/MS should have been more honest about the state of the product.
As you cannot charge the full amount of money for an alpha/beta, they simply should have delayed the release, which is something totally not uncommon in gaming industry history.
But from a customer standpoint: If they sell a product, advertize the product, the product has to deliver at least minimum functionality.
At current state FS2024 is not usable. Missing textures (e.g. the runway is missing at JFK), crazy air traffic (planes jumping, or hovering in the air, landing in vegetation next to JFK), stutters in remote and not demanding areas, are something you can instantly experience just starting FS2024 for a first flight.
Now that is visible instantly. But If you look further under the surface, so much more is broken.
It is not usable. It is so frustrating! Every time I try to convince myself that it can be optimized maybe with the settings, or that the server issues are improved now, again it is frustrating, stuttering, broken. Then I start FS2020 and it works so much better. In many parts it even looks better.
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Valve tightened up their rules for releasing “pre-orders”. They have to give us something, that’s why we got the CL-415. You can’t do a “pre-order” like a “go fund me” for something that may not exist. That’s just one rule that may have had an impact on the race to release.
I am not complaining. You can see from my history I post pretty balanced comments, nothing overly flattering but nothing too negative. I walk the line on reason.
But I admit that it does sting some if there is some issue which is stopping you from doing your thing. For some people, it may be a specific aircraft they use which has bugs. Others may have performance or network issues still. It does get tiring wiating around for your particular issue to be resolved.
Take for example myself. I only flew bush trips in 2020. I’m not interested in jetliners. I’m not even interested in planes too much. I like to explore the world. Bush trips someone has planned out the route for you to explore. They have typically made sure there is a “wow” moment in the flight through the scripting. Its basically virtual tourism. You get to explore the world. Asobo is still working on the rewrite of bush trips. It wasn’t ready for release, so they removed them temporarily. So I have had the product for two months. But I haven’t been able to use it. Yes, there is career mode, or I could fly a jetliner, or I could try the challenges. But truthfully, those really don’t interest me. I use MSFS more as Microsoft Virtual Tourism. And that is currently completely missing from the sim right now.
So I get the frustration people have when they wait out all this time just to use the simulator as they wish to.
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