I may eventually land the CJ4

I’ve finally switched to the Working Title mod. On my first flight, just as in others before switching, I take off and fly fine but ATC keeps me too high too long to transition to the approach and a successful landing. Is there something I’m doing wrong. Just can’t get low enough to intercept the glide slope. BTW I’ve had successful landings using RNAV and ILS in the Cessna Skyhawk. Help.

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Cut throttle and engage your Spoilers to reduce speed.

Don’t let it get too fast in speed and to high in altitude.

Use VS to set your max altitude.

Control your speed with the throttle. This is your responsibility.

I just finished what I call my USA tour in the WorkingTitle CJ4 with landings at 12 different airports, all using ATC. The CJ4 is a slippery aircraft. Don’t be afraid of using the speedbrake to keep your speed under control. I never had to descend faster than 3000 fpm from altitude and from below 10,000 ft it was closer to 1200 fpm. Don’t get behind the aircraft. When you are cleared to descend don’t delay in getting her going downhill. With all that said, the in-game ATC isn’t the greatest. You should be given an altimeter setting any time you are cleared to an altitude below 18000 feet. I don’t get it until I am sent to another controller. I also wish they would give you the approach to expect sooner. Don’t give up. I’m finding this aircraft an absolute joy to fly. :slight_smile:

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Absolutely agree. With the Working Title mod, the CJ4 is just peachy. Keep on top of the speed and take ATC with a pinch of salt :slight_smile: As a last resort, cancel IFR and hand-fly a visual approach … that way you can call the shots!

You’ve got to stay at least 15 minutes ahead of that jet. As you get closer to your destination, you should have your plan ready. Or, load an ifr plan. ATC is usually spot on with directives for correct descent.

Thanks for the replies. I think the biggest problem is I don’t get told to descend until I’m too close to the approach. I am using IFR to guide me. I’ll jump on the descent the next time and get down faster. MikeB54331, are there any on-line videos of you flight?

I’m afraid I didn’t record any of it. This was flown over a number of days. Six to be exact. Some during the day and some at night. Real world weather and traffic for all the flights. The destinations were decided just before each flight. It wasn’t something where I planned the whole thing out in advance. It just kind of turned out that way. The route ended up being MHT, TEB, DCA, PIT, SPS, PHX, SAN, LAX, LAS, DEN, STL, CVG, MHT.

Landing the CJ4 reminds me of landing the F-18 Hornet, only in DCS btw, with a green circle on the AoA indexer, to get the correct landing attitude and just using the throttle to control the rate of descent.

I’m not sure I could land a CJ4 on a carrier though, although it might be fun to try. :wink:

watch this video here it will show you how to use the vnav. It will take you all the way down following whatever arrival and or approach you have in your flight plan. You just have to control your speed as the cj4 does not have auto throttle. You can either just let atc yell at you for not descending at the right time if it does not sync with your TOD, but as you get closer to final approach it will usually sync up. Or I believe in addition to setting vnav you can select VS and dail in a descent so it will make atc happy ,just don’t go down to fast so you can eventually hit your TOD , it will change position on your flight plan if you descend before you get to it. hope this helps.

It’s definitely very “landable” :slightly_smiling_face:

Don’t get discouraged…if you’re transitioning from a slower aircraft to something a bit quicker (even if you used to fly it all the time), then switching back to something faster can often times leave you a bit behind the aircraft. Everyone else’s advice on here is excellent and I would heed it.

From a mindset perspective, start thinking a bit further out. Rather than briefing your approach and referencing your materials say…fifteen minutes from the field, check on that stuff twenty or twenty five minutes out. Be aware that the aircraft is covering ground twice as fast as your used to. As for the default MSFS ATC…they try to dive you down to the initial altitudes pretty quickly. I would probably step down a bit sooner than the default ATC recommends.

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Very helpful. Thanks. I’ve done RNAV approaches in slower aircraft so I’ll give this a try soon.

Thanks to all of you for the time you’ve taken to help me out.

make sure you have the latest version of the working title CJ4 , look like they fixed a few more things for vnav. Also make sure your flight plan is exactly the same in both the world map in sim and what you have in the cj4, this will help more with atc. But just realize atc is some what broken right now.

This will also work with an ils approach, vnav will take you down all the way to the approach height and when you hit glide slope or just before it should switch between magenta needles to green needles which is ils. Have fun learning once you get this it’s a lot of fun especially when in low visibility and you don’t see the runway until you break through minimum.

I’m a bit late here, I’ve also been tackling the CJ4 in the past few days, and this video helped immensely. He has a few on the CJ4 that are great.

Thank you WHISKEYTANGO. This explained a bunch I didn’t know.

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