So how come I hadn’t had any CTD’s in over a year with every other plane in the sim, including many newly released ones and yet as soon as I try this bird I get a CTD after 15min flight and every other subsequent one thereafter? Not the plane huh ? Absolute drivel
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You all still keep operating under the assumption that it’s the plane. There’s nothing in the plane that’s able to crash the sim. But hey, keep it up.
Did you even read my last post???
If I’m telling you that in a flight (Cold Lake, AB, Canada to Inuvik, NT, Canada) flying in real time, with real weather (yes, it takes hours to accomplish such flight!) that I get a CTD 100% of the times or if you prefer every time I fly such route with the F-35 I get a CTD BUT I DO NOT get any CTDs when flying the same route with other aircraft, namely the stock Cessna Citation how can you tell me that’s not the planes fault??
Moreover, for me it has been more or less a year since I had a CTD in FS2020 and if I remember correctly this was the only time that I had a CTD in FS2020 without using the F-35. Now, basically everytime I play with the F-35 I eventually get a CTD. The only way to NOT GET a CTD in FS2020 is not to fly or use the F-35!
So there goes your “theory” that it isn’t the aircraft behind the CTDs when it clearly is! Now why this happens, we don’t know…
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People who has no knowledge on software development will indeed blame the plane.
But lets try to explain (again): some code of the F35 is triggering a bug of the simulator. Why only this plane crash? Only Asobo can answer this.
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If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck….it’s probably a duck. Dismissing the plane as the problem makes no sense when for many it is the only common denominator. I have a pretty long list of 3rd party aircraft in my MSFS hangar…. I get CTD’s with only one.
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Code on the F35 is triggering a bug in the simulator? A bug triggered by no other plane? Then we are all in agreement, it’s the F35 which is to blame and they need to rectify their code.
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Hi armchair fighter pilots,
stop blaming anyone for the CTD problem.
I’m not familiar with the development of aircraft for the MSFS 2020.
However, in my former life I was teamleader of software engineers developing flight critical software for real aircraft in a workshare of three companies in two countries. In such constellation the most important is solid design and documentation of the interfaces.
In this case the simulator must provide an interface for the aircraft developer. In case fo CTD the simulator software crashes, not the aircraft software. Yes, it may be possible the F-35 software triggers the CTD, even if other aircraft don’t. A solid interface design should cover such event such that the MSFS doesn’t crash but enters a defined state and provides an appropriate error message. It’s my conviction there are issues in the interface design or documentation.
Folks, we are talking of a game, not flight critical software for real aircraft. You pay some dollars, and after a crash you are still sitting in your armchair … alive.
The problem can be solved only commonly by Asobo and IFE werden. If you expect a solid solution, give them some time.
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A lot of bugs in planes occur for every user then. But in the F-35 a loooooooot of people don´t have CTD´s. So why should it be 100% then plane. The F35 is very innovative and codes maybe something no other plane has yet and still make everything in terms of the sdk right and it can be a bug in the sim. It just doesn´t occured yet, until the F35.
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But lets try to explain (again): some code of the F35 is triggering a bug of the simulator. Why only this plane crash? Only Asobo can answer this.
And lets try to explain (again): If the F-35 is the only aircraft triggering CTDs then the culprit is the F-35!
Yes, we can argue that the sim (FS2020) has some faults/bugs and that it shouldn’t CTD if a mod/aircraft generates an error or exception or whatever but this we really don’t know this for sure. However what it’s known by now and for sure is that it’s the F-35 who triggers the CTDs, no doubt about that!
Anyway, wasn’t this product (F-35) tested??
This is a rhetoric questions because the answer is clearly YES! I’ve seen IFE asking for Beta testers since at least October.
So either this product was badly tested OR the developers rushed it! Anyway, the first ‘guilty’ here is IFE because this error is so easy to detect that I’m puzzled why it wasn’t detected during the testing phase.
However, I’m not saying that Asobo isn’t also to blame here.
People who has no knowledge on software development will indeed blame the plane.
Perhaps one of the reason why we as costumers have more and more messy and buggy software released nowadays is because of reasoning like yours above. It seems that testing doesn’t count for much nowadays!
P.S - I’m someone who in fact has some knowledge about software development. So perhaps you should re-think you kind of rhetoric/accusations there. You don’t know who’s behind each post 
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why are you argue if you both are right? just think about it
Their are several other third party planes causing crashing. What are you on about. It is not crashing for big portion of people. Any difference or mixture of assistant/weather/data settings or even unique keybinds could even be causing it. Drivers or hardware differences. The list goes on. It sucks that its broken for you, but its not easy to find your specific issue.
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Which other 3rd party planes are causing crashes ? I’ve not had a CTD with any 3rd party plane for over 12 months and I’ve flown lots of them for hours on end without a single hiccup…so what ? You telling me it’s all my imagination the F-35 is not the cause when it’s the only aircraft that causes a CTD…no other does…let me say it again… NO OTHER PLANE CAUSES A CTD, so what’s going on then ?
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If it were the plane solely the crashes would be repeatable and would affect everyone. There are indeed people who don’t get crashes. Whether they are lying or not we have no way of knowing. I myself went from constant crashes to 1 maybe every 3 or 4 flights now, and I didn’t change anything about how I use the sim, all I did were some of the suggested tasks or whatever you want to call them. It’s possible the plane AND the sim have issues that need to be worked out.
IFE and Asobo are working on it, they’ve said as much in plain English, and Asobo was able to reproduce the crash, so that’s progress. That is it, that is all the info that has been put out there. We can go on and on about the ethics of releasing a buggy plane or keep beating the devs over the head with back and forth and snide comments and trying to one-up each others supposed software dev experience. None of it is going to get a resolution faster.
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If you had any idea about software development, you’d know that if a script, without means to directly modify memory at that, can blow up its host environment, the onus lies on the scripting engine. The F35 only uses scripting languages to do its thing, that being JavaScript and WorldScript (that XML stuff from MSFS).
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Funny how everyone in this post seems to be a software developer or a coding expert all of a sudden.
As the person who invented the personal computer I know absolutely everything, and it’s my most humble opinion that you are all talking porkies.
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A reminder to keep this thread on topic please. If you want to participate in this thread, avoid posts aimed at other users and keep the conversation focussed on discussing the aircraft rather than off topic discussions such as software development practices.
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If you had any idea about software development, you’d know that if a script, without means to directly modify memory at that, can blow up its host environment, the onus lies on the scripting engine. The F35 only uses scripting languages to do its thing, that being JavaScript and WorldScript (that XML stuff from MSFS).
And if you had any idea what software development really is then you should know that one of the objectives of high-level programming languages (such as the script languages that you mentioned) and the fact that indeed they don’t have means to directly modify memory is in fact to avoid blowing up the host environment by accidentally writing/accessing some part of the memory which is used by another resource and that in such environment the access to the memory is done and managed by the Operating System (and not by the application).
For my part and for the other members here, sorry for somehow de-railing the thread but it wasn’t me that started this “side-line” code/programming related “discussion”.
Also for my part, I won’t touch the subject anymore and I’ll stick to the subject.
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Also any modification that is running while F35 is in the environment can clash. Even seemingly irrelevant things. Something essential goes awry resulting in a fatal error. Some specific conditions that cause it were not able to be tested. Its obviously going to be fixed. Something earlier during play could even write a path that looks normal but ultimately ends in a fatal error. Asobo has the source code and are helping. These planes are gigabyte sized files added to a 100+ Size game. They have to think outside the box for a multitude of varying conditions while also looking through gameplay logs between the 2. It will take time.
Im on Xbox but 2 of my friends on PC flying the F35. They aren’t having any issues. We can fly for hours and land together with a full shutdown and no CTD. They are testing different combinations of settings and avionic functions to see if it will start crashing.
Instead of complaining, anyone crashing should collaborate on what DLC, Settings, and even hardware could be causing it. Maybe even unique things like flying habits. Pretty sure that is productive and on topic. If a commonality is found, it might be able to be remedied for now.
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Instead of complaining, anyone crashing should collaborate on what DLC, Settings, and even hardware could be causing it. Maybe even unique things like flying habits. Pretty sure that is productive and on topic. If a commonality is found, it might be able to be remedied for now.
And that’s exactly what I did in this thread (with my flight from Cold Lake to Inuvik scenario/example) which after it, I and others here with the same problem were jumped with the “People who has no knowledge on software development will indeed blame the plane” nonsense!
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Dude give it up already and stop acting like a victim. Change the record.
Why did you post then, Dude 