Help is coming
Agree on Block User. Listen to this guys advice and use the block user function if it really affects you to read other people’s opinions. Or not read at all. What do you think you’ll read if you go into a post that says “dissapointed”. There’s another thread handcrafted for positivity.
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I think the OP forgot to put between () hint: only if you are unssatisfied. hahaha They had to create a topic where people cannot complain about the situation. Thats how they are. They-ve developed a nonsense passion for the sim and cant stand nobody who says the contrary.
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Really amazed at your business experience. Which companies? Please elaborate.
Tried XPlane and P3D again for 10 min. Ugggghhhh No way I can never go back to it, the default XPlane and P3D GA are a joke I uninstalled them once again after installing them. CYA. . Along with Lego graphics it is behind the times. Love GA MSFS having a blast.
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no need. the final product speeks for itself.
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Those gamers played the game and got it right. I give them credit for making a foolproof thread title.
It still doesn’t solve some of my disappointments. I do have positives too and i put them in that thread. Doesn’t mean I can’t have negatives. Let’s keep our heads up and just stick with offering constructive feedback.
Can you not get it changed if you want a thread were only complaints can be repeatedly posted. You could then discuss your solutions for making FS2020 the best sim during the next 20 years. Which one of your group has the necessary business knowledge for that. Could be really interesting for all of us. Please elaborate or ask for help.
Help! We need a better team working on this sim.
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That’s ridiculous. They might not have gotten everything right the first try, but at the very least they’re listening intently and are passionate about the project and flight simulation in general. Give them credit for what they’ve done, and give them suggestions for what to improve on. This is pretty rude considering the amount of effort they’ve put into making this sim next-gen.
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Asobo would certainly be pleased if you would make your expertise available. Why do you not apply? Let me guess…
NOOOOOPE !!! Not disappointed at all. Since you asked.
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Einstein would be pleased and say:
One ought to be ashamed to make use of the wonders of science embodied in FS2020, the while appreciating them as little as a cow appreciates the botanic marvels in the plants she munches.
N8 and have fun 
Nobody think its rude to expose the responsibles when a bridge falls, no matter the effort put on it. Its not just about effort. You need to know what you are doing. Its not a freeware we are talking about.
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It’s also not the same as a collapsing bridge if it doesn’t work perfectly from the start… It’s clear that MS pushed Asobo to release the product before it was “ready,” but that doesn’t mean things aren’t being fixed at lightning speed or that they don’t know what they’re doing.
For any little bugs that you could use as evidence for them “not knowing what they’re doing,” there are several other features that work incredibly well and are miles ahead of other sims that they full on nailed.
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I totally agree with you.
This sim has amazing potential and, in scenery and other visual advancements, blows everything else away. But you miss my point. Of course FS9/FSX has had 16 years of addons… but right out of the box FS9 and FSX (though that needed performance updates) had planes working exactly as advertised and fully functional ATC and IFR, a map that you could get all your frequencies from, either at the flight planning stage or mid flight. So that is what one would expect to be at least as functional in 2020.
So…again…the title of this thread… I expected the amazing scenery and a platform that would allow this sim to become the best ever, and I got it. But the other things I (and countless others) have already detailed that are still not working…THAT is disappointing for sure, and I feel, for a company with the resources of MS, inexcusable.
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but right out of the box FS9 and FSX (though that needed performance updates) had planes working exactly as advertised and fully functional ATC and IFR
“Right out of the box,” FS9 and FSX airplanes? There is a reasons why PMDG and Project Opensky became as successful as they did and took over after a while, because the default airplanes in the older sim left a lot to be desired. They also pale in comparison to the ones that have come with the new 2020 simulation, which are a real treat for any “long-time simmer” who’s used to the ‘out of the box’ airplane being an Orbit Air 737 with a 2D .jpg panel. Even with XP11 we had to wait years for the Zibo 737 for a proper sim. With more complex simulations comes more complex issues.
Since you brought up the release of FSX, let’s talk about how incredibly unplayable the sim was for nearly a year after release since that’s the benchmark here. If you are as old you you say you are, you’d remember the sim simply being unplayable due to frame and detail issues early on. The graphics had to be turned way down even if you had the best computer of the time, the water needed to be set to low to avoid “patching”, only flat runways that usually produced ‘platue’ airports, the air traffic had to be turned entirely off to get anything acceptable regarding frame rate, and the weather updating every 15 minutes threw your plane into 40G lateral thrust - an issue that still remains all these years later unless you shelled out money on REX to fix something that should have been fixed day 1. The list goes on, FSX had a far worse launch than FS2020 did, and it’s easy to say 16 years of refinment later, that it’s more refined. Rose colored glasses.
Point being, everything you pointed out is something I bet is patched soon, minor bugs. None of these issues seem like they are going to remain unchanged and sink the sim. I’m less frustrated with the bugs in the sim than everyone in the forum is with the dozens of topics on something that’s been said a thousand times already, and even worse, when people disregard the sim for non-sim issues, like their house has 4 windows not 6 or their town doesn’t actually have 2 floor buildings. I understand the frustration with the IFR maps and AP but again, I’m sure it will be fixed in no time, and minor issues aside, it’s still the best sim imo.
for a company with the resources of MS, inexcusable.
Also, since nobody has mentioned it, it’s mind-blowingly frustrating that people are expecting around the clock work from anyone during a global pandemic. They are humans. No matter what your views on it are, there is no denying that it’s impacted the workplace and the mood/anxiety of said worker in these shared spaces. I don’t know what the mandates are but I can’t imagine the office is in full force right now so cut them a bloody break. I assure you they aren’t adding bugs to spite you. I’m sure they are trying their best, it’s new territory for them, so the least you could do is show them a mote of respect, help answer others questions if you know the answer, submit a bug report if you can, instead of talking about them like they disrespected your mother personally.
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I am not arguing with your points, which are well thought out. But I’m not talking vbout performance and frame rate issues, which took a while to be patched in FSX, and I’m not expecting PMDG type planes. Of course not! I’m just saying that the basic functions, the instruments, ATC…I won’t repeat everything again… they worked! And after 16 years of technological advancements we had every right to expect not only as good, but even better WORKING planes. Why release something that can’t match older sims in those flight-sim-specific functions. As for the pandemic- correct. Things are going to take longer (maybe…) but, Ok. Tell us it is going to take longer. Tell us it is not going to be ready to fly IFR… that’s my point. And if you can say that , aside from the scenery, FS2020 is better… is 16 years ahead of those older sims… you must be very, very lucky, because many, many users are not seeing that.
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Out of the box, FS9 and FSX did have better airplanes. Lets clarify this point for a second: they were better not because they were study level. Far from it, and I don’t think anyone complaining about it is using that argument. They were simple aircraft models. However, practically most of them worked as intended. All the primary flight controls, secondary flight controls, and engine controls worked as they should. No, they didn’t have complicated FMS systems, for much of their navigation capabilities were tied to a universal gps system, but for its simplicity, it worked.
FS2020 aircraft are a bit more sophisticated by comparison. They come with full virtual cockpits, and comes with at least 4 garmin systems, an airbus fms system, and a separate boeing fms system. However, this complicates a lot of issues because a lot of these systems don’t even work properly for basic uses. When going direct-to waypoints become a problem; when the sim freezes because you press a wrong button; when your FLC porpoises your aircraft uncontrollably; and so on. But outside of systems, we have planes that lack primary functions as well. the baron’s mixture levers don’t lean the mixture for instance. The rudder trim doesn’t even work. The longitude fuel burn is incorrect by a huge margin. The King Air prop levers don’t work after a certain altitude. The PFDs for various aircraft shut off for random reasons. Stuff like this is a living nightmare.
FS9 was largely fine back in the day. I took the stock King Air halfway around the world without dramas before Aeroworx released theirs. Outside of dated looks and the lack of good VCs though, the planes were functional. I was studying aviation maintenance back then, and would often compare what I learned in school to what was in the sim, and I was pretty impressed.
Over the years, I was lucky enough to fly quite a few aircraft in real life and earn all my certificates. I’ve flown a few airliners, a few turboprops, and a bunch of GA. Jumping into FS2020, however, it feels as though I actually have to relearn how to fly because there are a lot of deep issues that I have to fight with in certain aircraft to not have dramas. I have to physically avoid using certain functions that I would use in real life to avoid problems, or have to use them in various non-standard ways–which isn’t good at all. I have to physically avoid flying certain aircraft too (like the airliners), because they don’t work well enough to handle their intended missions. FS9/FSX/X-Plane 11 never really bothered me the same way. If something doesn’t work there, its mostly because they never intended to be modelled in the first place.
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I don’t think that’s a solid defense though. “They worked as intended because there wasn’t much going on”. That’s like saying a paper airplane runs into less problems than a Cessna, which is undeniable true due to its simple construction and purpose. The OG planes worked, but were quickly replaced by payware and high quality freeware for a myriad of reasons. I think we will all get what we want very soon, albeit payware, freeware or an Asobo update.
I agree that the King Air is a nightmare and personally avoid it as well. I find the rolling to be a joke, and makes an otherwise smooth short final a sloppy mess. I guess my solution to that is submit the bug report and fly another airplane until then. I can understand how an avid King Air fan would be let down by this. Even my favorite plane, the 208, has that faulty AP glitch. Today I attempted a flight from Catalina to Carmel Valley, and ran into aileron issues despite my stick being fine in the calibration menu. A bummer, for sure, but again I just don’t think it’s worth losing sleep over or making a 8th topic of the day on it. Instead, I treated it like an inflight anomaly and diverted. I am sure Asobo will fix these issues, and in the meantime I have no problem grounding a fleet and playing something else until it’s fixed. My confidence in Asobo tells me not to worry, this will pass. They made the sim from the ground up and what we got is excellent, but short a few cards to make the deck. I agree that some of these cards are crucial, but if you can avoid some of the pitfalls you get a glimpse of what the sim will be within the near future.
I personally just find all the positives far outweigh the negatives, and in the meantime if I have to treat 2020 like a GA sim and fly the Baron and cubs, I am still having a more immersive experience in VFR flight than I ever did with Zibo and P3D. It think in a years time this entire thread will be moot anyways and the problems will be fixed, DLC will be ripe.
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