Is reporting bugs for msfs 2024 worthy?

I do realize it might be not 100% on topic but I do read your comments/explanations with pleasure.
You must be do some related to that as a job. :slight_smile:
Thank you!

They might not be interested too much because of the volume of the posts they would need to answer, I think.

Thanks. Spent too much of my life working in startups and smaller tech ventures. Whenever people are motivated more by the urge to get bought out and cash out than in serving customers, it NEVER works long term. But it’s almost inevitable in this field.

Glad I’m retired. Lots of devs are just counting the months until freedom.

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So what you’re implying is that it’s only going to get worse and most likely simply abandoned, right?

What are we going to fly then? :joy:

Truer words have never been written.

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I am still working but at the end of the ride. :slight_smile:
Interesting how things will develop in general with Asobo/MS.
Thank you for all the feedback.

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IMO Asobo’s fixes are in triage order:

  • Game breaking/server issues, then
  • Loudest bug their resources can likely cover
  • Loud easier fixes.

We’ll see after 6 months how everything else fares, but I believe it will be precisely like they were in FS2020. I sincerely hope their new code allows easier and broader ranging fixes.

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I guess that we just all try to hang onto that hope and just be patient.
Thank you for the feedback.

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It became difficult to me as Jorg always was talking about his “tons of new stuff coming” in each Q&A Session but not talking about the tons of bugs or improving things. Same to the weekly Dev Blog… tons of marketing, not a kilo on real development topics.

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Maybe he was not aware how many bugs were present.
I wonder if he flies it anyway.
He would have to see obvious things, no?

You’re probably right, which means 2 years to get things reasonably in order.

Asobo already made it clear that there will never be proper multi-screen support. And there are plenty of bugs in 2020 that were never fixed that are showing up in 2024.

My wants are easy to list

  1. Proper multi-screen support
  2. Not being tied to servers with continual loss of connection problems every hour.

I supported 3rd party devs through the marketplace to the tune of a couple of hundred a month. But insanity is defined as doing the same thing and expecting different results. So next time I log in, I’m deleting my wish list.

I’ll continue to do hardware purchases, since that’s transferable to other sims. And at least one competitor will be opening their own .arketplace.

In the meantime I’ll just ride what I have into the ground. Sorry, but your post made me realize that expecting things to change is a fool’s errand.

Thanks for the wake-up call.

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As Will Rodgers used to say:  “That puts me in mind of a story.”

Though not directly on point, I believe this is relevant.

Note:  This was reported by Long Island Newsday back in the 70’s or 80’s

Note that certain details are fuzzy because it’s a long time ago, but you can look it up if you want.

Background:
Toward the western end of Long Island there are communities that primarily consist of people that are incredibly wealthy, as in “they could roll their cigarettes in $100 bills and not miss the money”.

Of course, their children go to the finest schools money can buy and their primary courses of study are how to accumulate wealth.

As part of this education, they’re taught all about stock trading. Each class has an ongoing project where teams of students are allotted a certain amount of “money” that they “invest” in a portfolio of their choosing - and at the end of the interval the team with the highest return gets honor, glory, prizes, and a pat on the back by the executives at one of New York’s premier investment companies.

The story:
Usually the results are rather mediocre to passable, (after all these are students in the 7th through 12th grades), and a “winning” team was picked from each grade.

One year there was a team, (in a low grade, 7th? 8th? 9th?), that absolutely CRUSHED the competition - every team in every grade - and by a wide margin!  Not only did they crush every team in their school, they crushed similar teams in other schools.

They also BLEW AWAY all the investors at the big name firms, crushing the Standard and Poor 500, NASDAQ, (etc.), and absolutely EMBARRASSED people who were big names in trading to the point that if these kids were using real money they’d all be multi-millionaires a couple of times over and would be hugely set for the rest of their lives.

And they did it several times in a row so it obviously wasn’t a “fluke”.

Big-shots from some of the biggest names in trading came to interview the students to see how they did it.

Their answer?

  1. They started out with all the usual measurements; balance sheets, debt ratio, cash on hand, stock valuation, etc. etc. etc.
  2. Then they added an additional requirement:
    They searched for companies that had the lowest turn-over, the absolute highest employee satisfaction - in other words, companies that treated their employees like GOLD and paid them well.

Because the employees were treated well, paid well, and were happy - their customers were also happy and they earned a lot of both repeat and new business.

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Time and time again companies, up to the present day have proved this:  Treating your employees and customers like gold, even though more expensive in the short term, results in incredible business performance.

Microsoft?  Asobo?  Are you listening?

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They might but nothing will change the way they do business.
Interesting read, thank you.

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I’d like them to know 1 more thing: I haven’t even turned MSFS on during these holidays, and have had a great time without having to troubleshoot every single thing.

When I think, “maybe it would be fun to fly today…” I realize I’m still defeated by controller conflicts and crashes, and don’t want to waste more time trying to untangle it. I’m pretty much not using MSFS until more fixes come, and users report improvements. I’ve done enough troubleshooting in both my work and in MSFS in 2024, time for a break.

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I’m in the same stage with it, too.

I’ve done more than what I should have done to report bugs.

They need to sit down and fix this.

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They don’t need any bug reports. Just fire it up and start taking notes.

Which they should have been doing before release. You know what’s scary? Not “they skipped QA”, but “they didn’t skip QA.”

Me, on the other hand, enjoyed DOOM2, walked the dog, vegging out, wishing people a happy new year, and watching the slow-mo train wreck.

A lot less stress than reporting bugs. I’m sure they have lots, and many of those will also be ignored.

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Life is what happens to you while you are busy reporting bugs.

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Happy New Year and please, please, please do your best to report bugs in 2025 because if we don’t we will not get the sim that we all want. :blush:

I agree in principal, but the issues with the sim are all the result of a larger issue:

The scope was too wide, while no time, resources or incentives for proper, pre-release in-house quality assurance. There is too much hair in the soup, and the head chef isn’t checking the plates before they are served.

THAT is the issue I am focussed on reporting, because if that is fixed, so many of the individual bugs that are reported and lost here, would be caught by developers if given time and incentive to focus on ** consistent quality ** across all areas of the MSFS experience (in my opinion).

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Game depending on users reporting the bugs is doomed. Game of this magnitude (and price) should have HUNDREDS of testers. You as a gamer should not be able to find a bug in your first hours. Instead you are happy if you don’t see a bug every minute, and if you don’t encounter game breaking bug in 30 minutes.
Luckily in free flight it doesn’t really matter, but in career mode, it’s like 50/50 if I’ll be able to finish a mission or not, just because of simplest of bugs, which should have been caught during the most basic of testing. It’s a disgrace.
It’s straight out impossible they didn’t know about the bugs. They just didn’t care. So IMHO reporting the bugs makes no sense. It’s their job, not yours. And they will even complain about using the right format. Go on, do that, but put on a clown nose.

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