I was at one of the most well-known PC retailers here in Sweden yesterday with my friend, buying parts for a new PC.
He wanted to buy a 4090 (I managed to buy one myself on the day of the launch from the same place) but he was informed by the guy in the store he couldn’t get one. Out of stock with no estimated date when more will become available.
Then after some further discussion, the guy told us they actually have 4090s in stock. Even when not shown on their website. And how frustrating this is to them with the high demand from customers.
Reason?
They are not allowed by Nvidia to sell any 4090s or even announce they actually have them in stock. Not until they have Nvidia’s permission. And when they have, only the number of 4090s Nvidia decides they can sell. All this to assure only small “bursts” of 4090s are sold at any given time.
Of course we can’t know for sure if this is true but…if it is, that is truly quite disgusting on Nvidia’s part.
That can be true and may not be a desired marketing maneuver but a consequence of the market conditions. Industrial production is really struggling to meet deadlines for any electronic components, and GPUs are not an exception. Some suppliers are giving us 1.5 years targets to provide us with basic electronic components (nothing to do with computers but with industrial control systems with lifecycles of decades).
If Nvidia sells too much in a very short time now and stock is depleted very fast when the next batch is manufactured this new technology may be even obsolete as another card series could be in the production line if the lead times for components is that high, because their lifecycles are much shorter than the ones of the rest of electronic products. Then they may need to drop prices to get rid of them if they come too late. For sure they have a big reserve of spare parts to avoid that this happens but this reserve is not infinite anyway.
They need to carefully plan the market entry to ensure there´s always a min stock available. If not that could be a disaster, specially taking into account that this is not a cheap product, and if people gets tired of waiting they may get another GPU instead, as your friend did for instance, or go to AMD which is even worse for their sales figures. I don´t expect that they sell it like fresh bread anyway, even if they could. But only Nvidia knows their strategy.
Yeeep. Oh how sweet it would be if people would just be patient and wait for cards to become available without anybody buying from scalpers. And then once everything gets normal and these low life scalpers have no choice but to reduce price to msrp, then that’s when everybody should just buy from top retailers and no individual 3rd party sellers(scalpers). That way, these scalpers would choke on their loses while they have thousands of dollars wasted on GPU’s just sitting and not being able to be sold. Ahh what a dream that would be!!
1.The traditional raster performance of the 4090 is 60% better than that of the 3090ti. At present, all the games we can play have this improvement. Only the games that support DLSS3 will have a greater difference, but none of the games you can install currently support.
2.The 4090 limits overclocking. There is almost no performance difference between the most expensive flagship version and the most expensive version.
Even the current worst version (Tomahawk), its heat dissipation performance exceeds the actual heat of the chip.
To give full play to the full performance of the card, there are abnormal requirements for CPU and memory. The combination of i7-12700 and DDR5 5200 is not enough to give full play to its full performance.
You do not need the ATX3.0 power supply. The significance of the ATX3.0 power supply is to reduce the frequency of the video card through data communication when the power supply is full, so as to avoid the software and hardware loss caused by the overall crash. However, if you match enough power supply, ATX3.0 will not work if your power supply will not be overloaded.
As long as it is a qualified power supply, 850W is enough for 4090. If you are not working but just playing games, even the actual power consumption is difficult to exceed 700W.
I may have missed it (haven’t read whole thread) but can someone show a good example of how these artefacts manifest themselves (kind of worst case scenario) please?
I’ve started using DLSS and notice some oddities (especially on horizon and with large patches of water) but it doesn’t really bother me so much. And I assume it will get better automagically (Deep LEARNING SS)?
It’s the way of things. There is only the “ultimate solution” at a given point in time. New technologies allows us to do more. Look at what our cards can do now compared to what they could 20 years ago.
At least, I’m not surprised by the overprice fashion of their GPUs as of late. When their 20xx/30xx reached sky high prices due to shortages/scalpers/miners, it was inevitable they’d see their GPUs would still sell very well and would deduce they could match those kind of delirious price tags right at release no matter a shortage or not. There’s a whole lot of people who are still willing to buy at triple the price of once their very top of the line GPUs, so… why would they not do it sadly?
Remember the time of the 1080Ti? A GPU deemed legendary for its performance on par with the Titan of its time, a veritable beast of war? It was only 6 years ago, 2016, at a retail price of… 700-800$.
Yep… 800$ at most… and people back then thought it was very pricey for something like a GPU even if the 1080Ti performances were deemed particularly outstanding at the time and thus relatively worth it enough.
Long story short, Nvidia didn’t go blind on scalpers, they just saw they could sell at much higher prices. A lot of people were saying “nah. When the shortage crisis will sufficiently go down, with the new products, you’ll see that prices will naturally go down to normal prices again”. It made me laugh back then. I told them “You think they’re blind, given how well they sell even with rocket high prices?”. How right was I…
How deep is the demand for these cards at these high RRPs? During the pandemic with many people locked down at home and a crypto mining boom, there were potentially a large number of buyers so it wasn’t too surprising. But now with much smaller demand from miners and a cost of living crisis in many countries, surely it is only ultra high end gamers who will buy at these prices. It will be interesting to see what happens to pricing over the next 6 months or so after that segment of the market has made its purchases.
In the UK we can’t find any of any manufacturer! But I’d still be surprised if there was as many buyers at that price as there were in 2020 (I have been surprised before)
The 5800X3D is a good 19% faster in VR in MSFS, DCS and IL-2, especially in minimum frame rates. I did the upgrade earlier this year, and that’s what I found.
Basically in Il-2 it let me lock at 60fps+ and could probably do 90 fps minimums if my GPU was up to it, and in MSFS and DCS the CPU frame times support 60 fps in VR, but the GPU can only push about 40-50 fps.
All of my CPU frame times are in the sub 10ms. My limitation is the GPU frame times range from 12 in Il-2 to 20 in MSFS and DCS. Aggressive DLSS in MSFS can push that down to about 12ms or so, but it costs a lot of image quality.
