Until the next cycle 
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Done for now anyway!
It’s strange, I can justify that spend to gain an extra 40 fps but I can’t justify the cost of upgrading my £40 joystick…
I’ve been going through it for years. Same thing for me I play at 4K keep buying new GPU’s but remain with a 4K 60Hz monitor, I just dont want to lose it lol.
However the current times worried me, so I decided this cycle I will lay off the latest and greatest and went for a 4080 and just like you have done was going to drop £4.5K on a new PC, but just decided to put a 5800X3D in my AM4 PC and upgrade the 3090 non Ti to a 4080. I can afford the 4.5K out right, but I am just worried with the UK state of affairs at the moment, but of course I would love the full monty as you have.
Anyhoo, another example is I bought tons of flight related peripherals but wont buy rudder pedals, I just can’t bring myself to do it, and I would have to move by beloved Racing sim stuff then…the horror.
Anyway Its all good, we can all upgrade at our paces, as long as we are enjoying the sim, and our stuff then that is all that matters, nothing is perfect…
I can’t beleive the size of the 40 series cards, I had to buy a new case, 14in card…crazy, I feel like I am putting the PS5 in my case!
Hmm, I would get a different RAM speed. The 12900K and 13900K benefit a lot from higher speed RAM. You need 6400+ otherwise you will be holding back that 13900K in MSFS.
Per application.
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Not when it’s overclocked…
I really envy you guys for thinking that 2,000$ is a high price, in my hell of a country we’re used to this kind of theft, and not only that but the 4090 costs 2,800$ with 1/10 of variety, it’s basically only Gigabyte and that’s it.
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Where’s that Rizla?
The prices you mention sound familiar to the prices we see here in Sweden right now for the most expensive versions of the 4090. I “only” paid about $2.400 for my 4090 when I was lucky enough being able to get one on the day of launch.
Also same thing over here with availability, out of stock everywhere and very few models to chose from.
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Same here in germoney where resellers are the new scalpers. I had could get an Rog Strix OC on launch day for 2400$ but find it to bulky and go for an Palit OC 400$ „cheaper“ also to have this money left for an Z790 board.
One or two days later the whole bunch of traders rise their calls up to the scalpers offers so now most of the cards are 10% to 15% pricier than at launch 
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And FE is a nothing but an mirage again, simply impossible to buy for ordinary people.
Middle East, glad I’m not the only one suffering 
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Ok finally had time to dial in the 4080 Thanks to those who have helped me.
Yes Frame Gen is where it is at. my 4K Monitor is only 60hz but having this all running at Ultra with a solid never below 60FPS is utterly fluid and amazing, I think the 4080 is good for 60hz, anymore would really require the 4090 I feel. If I take off VSYNC then it goes up to about 95 sometimes 110 with the Fenix!!
What I had not noticed was my LOD is now at 325 using Geforce Experience settings and to be honest those settings are fine for me, everything is what I had it at with my 3090 (LOD was 125) which was maxed almost anyway + a notch or 2 more and higher LOD and it just 60Hz/FPS all day.
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Also, last I’ve heard there’s a general public outrage because of the 4080’s pricing and availability and 4090’s melting connectors mess so Nvidia might have a hard time selling, might be a good opportunity to make Nvidia sane again and punish scalpers as hard as possible.
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Please make up your mind: are they having “a hard time selling” or are they selling so fast that the price has gone up and finding one is tricky? You can’t have it both ways.
And the failures? Per Gamers Nexus the failure rate is 0.04%; they discovered that the failures are down to users not fully seating the cables into the card. Yet another hyped and false scare story.
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4090’s are selling well - better than expected.
4080’s not so much… Cost is a factor & imminent release of cheaper AMD 7900XT/7900XTX are definitely showing their effects on this recent Nvidia release.
I just built a 7950X / RTX 4090 system and unquestionably Vsync w/ Frame Generation is a game-changer for MSFS!
I do find frame generation to have it’s flaws graphically- but they are generally minor and easily overlooked once you see the performance it brings to the table. The “feeling” of flying cannot be understated!
That said, I do hope Nvidia continues to improve FG so that some of the visual glitches can be further reduced.
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The AMD wont beat the 4090 but then AMD have said that themselves, It might in places or some games beat the 4080 in non RT non NVIDIA stuff, but that remains to be seen, or it could beat the stuffing out of it all round, which if it does will teach NVIDIA a huge lesson!
AMD also do what NVIDIA are doing but on a smaller scale, but they seem to get a pass on it. Also I think this gen both have changed the way they build cards, Of course the 4090 will have the full fat well not full fat as the 4090Ti will probably show up at some point (I wish they would stop that) as I would love everybody to say no, we will all wait for the TI, but anyway the 7800XTX did not have a huge shader count as some were predicting, and the 4080 on paper looks like a 4070 but again it’s no slouch, and I dare say the 7800XTX will not be either.
I am disgusted at the prices of NVIDIA and if it does go up like this again with the 50XX Series then I will be out, it’s not about the money for me I could save it up starting now, or whatever, but here in the UK some of the 4090’s are well north of £2k, and some 4080 cards are above the more base 4090 prices or close to, I personally saved £519 not buying a 4090 so the whole " What’s the point of the 4080 its only £/$200 cheaper" is just not true, maybe on FE cards, but how hard are they to get!
I think once the AMD cards drop and IF people see/think/feel/prove they won’t be better off with them, most will swallow the extra for the 4080, well thats my feeling anyway.
Frame Gen etc is only going to get better and better as DLSS has, and there is no doubt that NVIDIA are using this to bulk up the cards power, but who knows what AMD will pull out too. One thing for sure is that the next gen cards need to manage power better, especially at the top end and be smaller and definitely cheaper. I would be very happy for the next gen 5090 to be 30% Faster, smaller, cheaper and 300Watts
Pricing is all about supply and demand in our capitalist society: if fewer folk were so desperate to get hold of a card then the price would fall to the recommended retail price. It’s our fault for paying more, no blame should fall on Nvidia nor the retailers.
Moving on: Folk seem to be forgetting, but the 3090 was originally intended to be a replacement for the RTX Titan X, hence it didn’t follow the traditional naming convention. Had that not been the case then it would have been called a 3080.
The 4090 is in a class of it’s own for the same reason. Similar to the Titan, AMD have nothing to match it and no (known) plans to even try. Think of the 80’s as being a top of the range gaming card at a more reasonable price, and the 90’s as being the Titans, and the pricing starts to make a little more sense.
And yes, some did use a Titan as a gaming card, much as we use a 3090 and 4090 as a gaming card. There were just far fewer of them.
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Just to add my 2cent to the conversation. I’ve just spent 30 minutes flying from London City to Heathrow in the Robin in the Reverb G2 with a new Intel 13900K/RTX 4090 system and it’s absolutely worth every penny. What an experience! I’m a fan of OpenXR reprojection so I kept this, also DLSS Quality and the rest of the settings on ULTRA. Magnificent, butter smooth, NO ARTIFACTS, an absolute joy. For the 13900K I’ve disabled the E cores but running stock CPU and GPU settings, no overclocking. Can’t quite believe we can have ultra settings in VR, incredible.
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Nice one Sneaky, looking to upgrade my 9900k soon, very useful info !
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Does disabling E cores actually give you that much performance? Wouldn’t think it’s worth disabling if it only gives you an extra 2-3 fps.
Another option is to use a program such as Process Lasso which allows you to limit usage of separate cores for a specific process/application. Such as MSFS.
Haven’t bothered with it myself since I already have great performance having all my 13900K cores enabled.