Just Flight have announced the Fokker F28 Fellowship

Cycling the GPS I think is not a plane specific thing, I do that with every aircraft I fly with it. I just have it in my checklist these days to cycle the GPS after I turn it on.

Hi Justflight

I am one off users who was able to purchase the F28 on Xbox before the removal,

I can indeed report performance issues, 2 out 3 load ins to the aircraft result in a CTD and the performance while in the aircraft both in internal and external view are choppy with framerate issues

Hopefully your team can do something with this information to optimize the F28 further for xbox users

Apart from these performance issues she flies looks and sounds awesome :blush:

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I havent had the plane CTD on me yet. Just black screens and studders…

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I had 5 ctd’s yesterday while trying to load the F28 on my Series X and general black screens and stutters

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It sounds like Just Flight were right to withdraw the F28 from Xbox in it’s present state.

I have a lot of confidence in their quality control after many wonderful hours in the BAE146 - it is one of the best add ons for MSFS, performs very well and has been very stable.

I’ll carry on waiting (…) for the F28 Professional to release on Xbox but it’s a day one purchase for me.

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Just to clarify on the Xbox front, we never approved the F28 for release on Xbox so it wasn’t our decision to withdraw it, that was all handled by the marketplace team. Microsoft’s statement on the situation here can be read here: Marketplace: F28 Professional Update

The current F28 Xbox build is the exact same build as the PC build, with the same textures, the same VRAM usage, etc. We do this just to get a baseline of how the product works on Xbox with no additional optimisation, and this then lets us know just how much optimisation is required for the Xbox release. Usually, this wouldn’t be seen by the end user, but it is completely normal and part of our internal quality control process for the Xbox releases.

Those of you who were lucky (or unlucky!) enough to purchase the F28 when it was briefly available for sale on Xbox will see we do have some work to do on the Xbox optimisation. That process is ongoing now and we will be sure to let everyone know once an Xbox release has been approved.

Unfortunately, it’s difficult to give any sort of time frame for how long this may take, as it’s quite a long process for us (or any third-party developer) to test Xbox builds. We have to make some improvements that we think will work on Xbox, then upload the build to the marketplace, and then Mircosoft has the process and test the build themselves, before then making it available for us to test. This process can take multiple weeks, and then if we find we have to make further tweaks, we have to go through that process again.

Anyone who would like to request a refund on the Xbox version can do so by contacting the Microsoft support team at the link in their statement above.

We hope everyone who purchased the F28 on PC is enjoying the quirkiness of the aircraft! In case you missed it, we uploaded a new video at the end of last week covering some of the F28 Professional’s finer details:

Mark - Just Flight

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Hi mark

Thanks again for the clarification, as a Xbox user who was lucky or unlucky enough to have purchased the F28 during her brief xbox availibilty

I can say apart from the performance optimization for Xbox she is an absolute joy to fly :blush: and she looks and sounds awesome, hopefully the xbox release is not too far away so that all xbox users can enjoy her

In the meantime im not gonna request a refund and im gonna enjoy the F28 as is and hopefully the official xbox release is not too far out

Here is my white F28-1000 at Woensdrecht :blush::heart_eyes:

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Despite its little performance issues (black screens, a few stutters here and there, hasn’t caused a CTD yet) its actually a very wonderful plane to fly.

Anyways i have decided not to request a refund, as the plane works fine despite the performance issues.

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Just Flight proves to be a serious company, attended the recommendation of make a public statement that makes it clear that what happened with the case of the F28 is not their fault, as well as the reality of developing for Microsoft Flight Simulator on Xbox.

Thanks for clarify that there is no upcoming date… or any date… for the product to be available (like many others products because aren’t products of Microsoft or Asobo)

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Small question about the AP in the F28.
I’m descending in PITCH mode at IDLE (and HDG) but if I press IAS the plane levels-out instead of pitching to keep speed.
What can be wrong?
thanks!

I own the F28. But the new version shows up in Marketplace as new payware, and not in Content Manager as an upgrade.

I have mine in my Addons Linker folder. Could that be causing this issue?
Does it have to be installed in the Official folder?

If you bought it from Just Flight directly, you should completely ignore the marketplace version. It is a separate product from the one purchased from JF. Marketplace has no integration with products purchased separately.

The version you purchased from JF will always be updated faster than the marketplace version, too - possibly by weeks.

Unless I misunderstood your post, in which case I apologize.

That’s probably what happened.
The fact that mine is not in the Official foider is a big clue. :wink:

Off to Just Flight to check for the update.

ETA: I guess there’s no update, and I’m just confused.

Thanks.

Right, it was just finally released on the marketplace but as far as I’m aware there’s no new update. So if you purchased it from JF you can check your JF account for the latest version. If you do own it from JF, the marketplace will still act like you don’t own it since you don’t own it from the marketplace itself.

If you’re saying you bought it from the marketplace and now it’s saying you don’t have it… I’m not sure what would be going on there, sorry.

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I bought it from JF. If I’d bought it from Marketplace it would have been installed in the Official folder, and would be in my Content Manager.

I was confused when I read through this thread, and thought there was an update. Then I was more confused when I saw the F28 in Marketplace. It’s hard to remember when and where I bought things without research.

I also sometimes confuse ‘Community’ with ‘Official’ folders.
I need to better remember this acronym: MIO3IC (Marketplace In Official, 3rd Party In Community.)

If I have BAE146 to fly a VOR airline

Is it f28 worth it ?

or just similar with BAE146

I have them both. Not flying the 146 as much now. It’s a fine aircraft, but for me it boils down to silly things like I do lots of shortish flights of 1hr or thereabouts, starting up from C&D, and the engine spool up time and repetition of starting those 4 engines becomes tedious after a while. The F28 on the other hand only has two engines and they are relatively easier / faster to start. The 146 also does not have very powerful engines, while the Fokker F28 can take off like a rocket. So the 146 requires a bit more care with power/airspeed during climbs. You are right in that they are both of a similar era, but they are notably different enough to own both. The 146 is done well, but the bar was raised again with the F28 which is superb. I fly a mix of airliners though, and currently my enjoyment factor is leaning towards the maddog x for the ultimate mixed old & new airliner experience & IMO is one of the most enjoyable aircraft in the sim. I did fly the F28 & the maddog in two flights last night.

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Thanks

PS:Maddog is amazing of course

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Rubbish - the -100 has a ridiculous amount of performance. If you only fly the -300 coz it’s the biggest you’re missing out on the point of the aircraft, you can put the -100 in & out of places there’s no way I’d put a F-28 in.

See a few posts up for my view on the rest, you’d have to like the F-28 for itself, I think.

Admittedly I haven’t flown the -100 variant much. Mostly the -200 and -300 where you do have to be more careful (certainly on the 300 anyway). It’s just a comparison though (slower climbs to keep airspeed up from memory). I generally don’t have to watch climb performance in the F28 which is a very enjoyable aircraft. Different aircraft for different purposes though as you suggest.

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