I just picked up the Warrior, for a little variety in the GA department (where I spend all my time). Took her up for a little practice on basics, and discovered that the stall characteristics are very far from what I expected. The departure stall is OK, it just kind of mushes down and never drops a wing, like many planes do. I couldn’t get it to kick into a spin. The power-off stall never broke, and in fact I ran out of elevator and just kind of glided at about 70 knots. I got the stall warning to sound after cranking the trim all the way back. I really like everything else about this plane, it’s cool looking and fun to fly, and it’s fun to start cold and dark. I wish the developers would revisit the stalling behavior.
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They said somewhere they were going back and reworking all their PA28’s flight models for CFD, Xbox+WASM and fixing loads of issues. And should have the first ones updated soon.
Might already be in for testing for April
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Thanks for the update. I’m really looking forward to this update and the updated Arrows.
I bought the PA-28-161 Warrior II from JustFlight directly, which should ensure the latest updates.
While running the latest version of the plane + realistic settings in MSFS 2020, the plane simply won’t stall. It just dips gently when stall conditions are met, and then shortly continues onwards, you just don’t notice a stall happened (if it even did)
If I do the same in C172, it breaks the lift much more violently and the nose dips much much more, making it closer to how stalls happen in real life.
I only just noticed this too.
It’s my only gripe with this otherwise well replicated plane, I don’t understand why it’s not being addressed, I see 1year old similar posts about this issue.
I figure many people like us get these GA planes just because we want to complete gaps in training, and stalls are a very important feature.
I create a ticket on JustFlight website to bring up this issue and I advise other people to do the same so we hopefully see this issue being fixed.
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It was always like this. I haven’t flown it in a while but back when it came out I tested stalls in it pretty extensively. It mushes. You have to get some rear COG and then try to pull it up out of a slight dive right at stall speed to get it to depart in a noticeable fashion.
Piper FI has mentioned that it basically just mushes around when it stalls. Not everything stalls violently.
I can spin the JF one ( it can get in a very wierd spin where it’s spinning around it’s pitch axis too ), so it’s not impossible.
true, real life jabiru do not really power-off stall in a violent way either, the controls sort of mush and you can lose a fair bit of height without realising it, but nothing dramatic in the way of nose drops and wing dips.
Most GA wings are designed to be benign in stall.
No idea what pipers are like. Only have an hour or two in warriors and never stalled one.
Sure your not confusing this aircraft with a PA38 (TromerHawk)
This Bellow is from an old PPRuN conversation on the PA28 stall characteristics : https://www.pprune.org/archive/index.php/t-113968.html
I’ve met people who consider the early acting stall warner on a PA28 as a good indicator of the best short-field approach speed. A little extreme for my taste, but you can see their point.
Seriously, I don’t think that you’ll find the PA28 much different to the C152/C172, the main difference is an electrical stall warner (check it pre-flight) rather than Cessna’s rather clever airflow based device.
The Piper with the exciting stall is the PA38 (Tomahawk) and I suspect that’s what you’ve been hearing stories about. It’s a totally different beast in many ways (not say that it’s not a good aeroplane, but it’s still not a PA28).
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Personally only ever had 13hrs on 28’s but I would agree with above.
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So I assume you have real life experience stalling PA28’s?
That’s how it should be, other wise just goes mushy and drops the nose a little
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If you’ve read my post entirely, then you’d know you’re not assuming, and that I have real life experience stalling PA28.
There’s a major change to the flight model coming imminently. I tested an early version of it, and when I tested its stalling, it acted as I expected it too. But, just like when I fly, I was just doing normal stall exercises that I do when I fly, so don’t remember any “violent” changes in attitude, it stalled as I expected it too pretty much, maybe a little less altitude loss. So I can’t say you’ll be happy.
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Do you happen to know whether they plan to implement any of the newer features the sim has, like CFD, soft body simulation, and static friction? The Just Flight planes seem to be conspicuous by their absence of these options.
I don’t believe any of the Just Flight PA-28’s use the New Prop Simulation either.
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A Warrior or Archer with a typical 1-2 person load will definitely depart on the power-off. I wouldn’t call it violent, but it doesn’t just mush in, either.
I can’t count how many stalls I’ve practiced over the years, but I was doing this last weekend and yep, still flies the same way. It is definitely not replicated well in the sim, but at the same time, I’m glad it doesn’t drop a wing violently despite being coordinated, unlike some other aircraft.
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I’ve read about those so-called baked in stalls before. I forget the plane but there was one where even if you were rolling to the right when you stalled the left wing would violently drop. You just couldn’t get it to stall to the right.
It depends on coordination. If you’re turning to the right but in a slip, upon stalling, you could roll and spin to the left.
So try a skidding turn and try raising the right wing while you’re developing the stall (increasing the AoA even more on that wing). It should drop the right wing.
The sim can be a little wonky in how it drops wings, though.
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I have alot of time in Cherokees and Warriors. You would have to try real hard to get a violent break in a stall. They just mush and descend. Not like a 172 that will drop a wing easy. As someone else mentioned, you can aggravate it, but you have to try.
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Yeah, secondary and accelerated stalls will get it a little more aggressive.
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I’ve received word from JF that in the coming weeks an update is coming to tweak the stall characteristics. Fingers crossed.
I’ve now ran into another issue, while using a Logitech G Saitek Radio panel, I think the JF plane has the active and standby freqs mapped in reverse, because when I try to change the freq, it only changes the active one.
If I switch to a stock MSFS plane, changing the frequency in the Radio Panel changes only the standby freq, as it should.
Wondering if anyone came across this and what was the fix?