Lower Resources in the Menu, Downloading, and Minimized. FPS cap?

I too have complained about this before. I have a laptop with a 2080 and on the menu, its at 100%, fans screaming, and thermal throttling. I have to fly to get the temp back down. Something is broken with how they manage the GPU. MSFS20 menu system is the only thing that brings my laptop to its knees. I reported this on release and all I got was an acknowledgment that they received the report.

I don’t need to introduce any frame rate slowing measures. My system is slow enough already.

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The workaround works, take it or leave it. But it is something Asobo should address.

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Just bad main update cycle programming, as it got near no delay by drawing time it goes to update infinit frames per sec uncapped

I just can’t believe there are people justifying or minimizing this kind of things…

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I think it is responsible for my inability to download in the Content Manager.

Has asobo/ms/anyone responded to the issue justifying it? I wasn’t aware that they had ever said anything about it?

I just added some more aggressive Air Cooling:wink:

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With an electronics background my reaction is one of poor hardware cooling, both mechanical and firmware, if components can be easily fried.

There would be thermal design limits that maintain system reliability both short and long term.

Most consumer components will be rated 0C to 70C, MIL-SPEC for military can be -55C to +125C for example.

If you have a product that can overheat and shorten its life dramatically it’s a poor product in my eyes.

Overclocking has a degree (ha ha) of marketing hype and its not all good. The reliability, ie mean time between failure (MTBF), of silicon chips is dramatically affected by temperature.

Aircraft systems will typically require a MTBF of 10,000 hours, that’s one failure every 10,000 hours. Heat and vibration destroy aircraft systems.

One ball park figure is a 10C rise cuts lifetime in half. So be careful what you wish for!

I’m sorry I can’t think of a solution to this menu overheat problem. As far as I know, there is no magic link from the app to the system clock.

As others have said, set the shutdown temperature at a safe value and maintain a runtime temperature that is reasonable with 100% GPU and 100% CPU.

Like computer disk backups, you cannot plan for a convenient disastor!

Cheers
Paul

PS I’m not trying to be critical, I’m just reflecting the training I received.

Their fans are SO nice

One of those cost as much as my computer! :slight_smile:

If your desktop computer can’t handle 100% load without overheating you need a case with better cooling or you have overclocked it too far. My cpu@5.1Ghz and 3090 can run at full speed 24/7 and the temp is in the mid 60C area, that is because i have a good case (CM H500M)

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Sounds like you need better airflow.

If a CPU or GPU gets to its thermal limits, it will throttle as not to exceed that limit. Not sure what you’re worried about.

Most games have the GPU running at 100%… doesn’t matter to the graphics card if you’re playing borderlands 3 for a couple hours, or browsing the msfs marketplace.

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And plugs in ears. Yeah.

I feel like this should be moved to the “Bugs” section, so people can upvote this issue.

Two things tho…

  1. Your thermals are bad, or overclocked too much, if the system gets too hot under constant 100% load.
  2. But a menu shouldn’t cause a constant 100% load in the first place.
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If you look at “Call of duty” they made 3 separate fps limiters. For the game, for the menu and for “off- focus” you can set however you like.

Many assumptions about my computer here are quite incorrect. I’m using a water cooled rig. My concern is for the average user who is not a computer tech.

I have also been in the computer game for over 25 years and dealt with a lot of burnt out GPUs and failed Motherboards due to excessive heat. Second to that is the issue of wearing out parts before their time where it makes no sense to justify sitting in a menu that produces such heat. You expect people to have high end cooler solutions to sit in the menu?

This was not posted in the hardware section because the post is more to do with the fact that the MSFS menu should not be be running components to their max to begin with. Typically many people are dismissing the OP and losing site of the overall message. Thankfully one or two seem to get it.

Again, this post in not meant to be a discussion on Hardware Cooling. If the only way we can combat sitting in the menu of this game for extended periods of time is for everyone to have a water cooled system or high end fan forced protected system, then general users are going to have problems.

Counter to what is being said here, it is not good practice to be running GPUs and CPUs in the high 90s for extended period of times - Yet again we are talking about the MSFS Menu. Currently if left unchecked it is akin to benchmarking your system. That’s OK for a short period but not for long extended bouts - especially not for low to medium uses without the adequate cooling. You wish to defend a menu that can run GPUs into the high 90s? That’s ego and fan boy flaming to be sure. Causal users who do not have the knowledge and cooling, can and will damage their systems if they sit in the MSFS Menu without adjusting their settings. That is what my post is about.

I could care less for all this hardware banter … it matters little to the context I have made in the opening post. Many comments alluding to a system shut down as a warning measure are quite amusing to say the least.

All the assumptions here have missed the mark by a huge gap as once again, I have been in the industry and know well what I am talking about. I have had to replace many worn out parts due unnecessary overheating. A protected system also only goes so far. But let not this hardware banter miss the context … we are talking about a menu operating like a benchmark.

People not in the know need to be warned. As for the techy side, that is all ego and floating the boat. Which is why I never mentioned my background. I only do now given the level of dismissals. I stand by what I have said. I hope my words reach those that need to hear. That is all.

I agree … move this to the BUG section. Currently its still an unresolved issue. People should not need to beef up their systems to sit in the menu. Please fix this asap.

TY.

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Just to clarify, your gpu is water cooled and youre seeing 85+C temps on it? Or are you saying your CPU is on an AIO/custom loop?

Literally every person here has recognized that the menu shouldn’t run the GPU at 100%. We all agree it’s a stupid thing the game does.

Edit for a technicality: I suppose not everyone here has explicitly said that the menu thing is a problem. But nobody has defended the menu issues. Some people have commented directly at the underlying temp/load numbers.

I am sure that you have reported this to Zendesk. https://flightsimulator.zendesk.com/hc/en-us

Never said that my GPU was cooled. Alas this continuation of focusing on the hardware is missing the point and now we are just getting into semantics. Most response are off tack and allude to baind aid measures. It’s clear we are unable to connect where it counts. I leave you to discuss with the ‘we’ to which you refer. All the best.

Microsoft Devs … Please correct this menu bug.

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