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Fwiw, turboprops don’t go into disc (or beta) airborne in real life. They are generally locked out until weight on wheels. So you get flight idle until a squat switch activated. Usually that’s in the left main but could be tied to the nose or both or all 3. I’m no TBM pilot but I do have extensive real world turboprop experience.
One thing to keep in mind concerning floating, is how close the wing sits to the ground. If it’s close then expect a lot of float. So you gotta be on speed trimmed out.
I do agree that I would expect to see a lot of torque and p-factor as well as the trim always needing to go aft. As far as torque is concerned, the rudder is quite large and therefore pretty effective. So maybe that?
Yeah this is why I setup my bindings for the Kodiak and now this, to use a WoW switch to adjust my throttle range.
Not entirely sure what you mean about floating and the wings though. Can you ELI5 or at least explain for those of us who aren’t real world pilots? 
I’m definitely getting better though… didn’t float so much on my approach just now into KSEA, but I do find it a lot harder to stay on an imaginary GS when on a visual approach than I do in the 930. I think that might just be a matter of learning the numbers on the 850 though. I know on the 930 that I generally want to be around 25% TRQ in landing configuration and just slight touches around that to stay on profile. I don’t yet have those in my head yet for the 850 so that might be all it is.
I also have time in turboprops, and when you pull the power back, the drag is immense. It is not beta but the discing props create tons of drag at flight idle. Have you flown this new TB<?
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I wonder if all persons, that are writing that the FM feels not right , are real world tbm pilots.
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If the wings are close to the ground there is air between surface and wing which cant escape. Creating what is called groundeffect
Got examples of this. The turboprops I know of don’t have an electrical beta lockout like this just a gate of some kind. Genuinely interested in what types this may be. Perhaps commuter category?
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Why? It makes no difference how things are simulated as long as the end result is correct. Everything about the planes we fly is fake, after all. If hidden spoilers help them implement correct prop drag then I say go for it.
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Agree 
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I wonder also if those persons who feel that the FM is good are also real world TBM pilots.
Being a RW pilot is an advantage but even RW pilots frequently disagree over FMs and whether or not it ‘feels’ right. And often experienced simmers (experience gained over many years in many different Flight Sims) can also have views which might be worth listening to.
If questions are never asked and the Status Quo is always accepted then the likelihood of moving forward with improvements is significantly reduced.
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On my very first flight I accidentally closed the condition lever, shutting off the engine. With engine off, the aircraft continued to fly as if it still was powered to some degree. It felt more like a glider than an aircraft with an engine spoiling the lift over drag ratio. I easily could fly a landing circuit and actually had trouble getting down in time, when I deployed flpas and lowered the geat when on short final. For me this is all the reason to put the TMB 850 in my hangar and wait for a FM update before using it again.
I have to add that I am not a TBM pilot, but I used to fly sailplanes, know a bit about aerodynamics and energy management.
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i have a problem with the torque
I’m only at 105% max
The documentation say it’s a limiter of “850mode” but nothing say how to activate or desactivate it.
The documentation say i can reach 120% torque when flap up but i’m limited to 105% even if inertial separator is on or off
Any idea ?
Normally the “feel” of a plane is very subjetive based on previous experience on other planes, years flying etc, I flew the 340-600 two years and knew some pilots who hated because they didn,t like how the plane fly, and others (including me) who loved it. Their percepcion of the plane was completely diferent from one pilot to another, like diferent aircraft. I love how this tbm fly, and I do have the sensation of flying a small one engine turboprop (and the system deep is perfect). There is no perfect flight model because the sensation of a plane from one pilot to another normally change a lot.
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It’s not a flap. It just shares the same operating lever.
I have trouble with the Radio Master switch in the cockpit. The Radios turn on, but the Altimeter guage and my Logitech Radio Panel don’t. They only turn on when I send the “AVIONICS_MASTER_1_ON” event additionally via a hardware button using spad.next. But I cannot find a corresponding switch in the cockpit for that…
Yes I have the same issue with PMS GTN 750. Screen is black in GND CLR mode.
Totally agree!
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That said, real world discussions on the 850 indicate it typically needs 3000’ of runway for a relaxed easy landing and a “short field” landing is going to be pushing it to get down in much less than 2500’ without reversers.
For me in game with this addon, 2500 to 3000’ to land without slamming the brakes and hammering the reversers seems about right.
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If you scroll up this thread you’ll find how to control the 850 mode externally. As said it’s nothing to do with flaps but it’s there so it can only be used once the flaps are fully up.
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