I called a spade a spade in one of the threads discussing rain drops that are not visible on aircraft windshields which worked fine on 2020. I called the sim/game broken - and yes it is broken in many ways. The post got flagged as inappropriate and got hidden and i got a warning as usual. I 100% agree with you. I too have had enough of this mess of a sim…no sorry …game.
When you speak up - you get silenced, yet they offer no refunds to those that are unsatisfied.
Profits above all else - that’s the name of the game these days - no pun intended.
I get great performance on my rig, and the visuals are fine. I only fly IFR in the biz jets. Flight planner works well enough. That in the in-sim ATC is actually so much worse than 2020 is just astounding to me. Its one of the oldest complaints from 2020, with promised yet unfulfilled fixes, but at least in IFR it was somewhat usable and realistic. For 2024 its neither.
And this is the big question, isn’t it?
If everyone reverts to 2020 or don’t transfer from it Me for one) then is there any future for MSFS2024 or is it cooked already?
Is there any way this state of affairs can be recovered - and if there is, how would/should it look?
I think it’s an important question for the community to think about if we want the flight simulator to continue to be sustainable, which I’m sure we all do…
Define ‘cooked’. They’re not gonna go “Hm ok, well, let’s forget about the whole thing then”. FS2024 is the new thing, and in a few years time it will be the only thing. 2020’s days are numbered, despite still having a good few years ahead of it, if they keep their promise.
It’s actually really simple. “All” they need to do is:
I bet they have an internal bug list as long as my arm. Fix all of them. I imagine all my following points are somewhere on that list.
Fix/finish all the default planes. Most of them are just barely functional. Almost all of them have annoying bugs or things that don’t work right. Given that this is supposed to be a flight sim, I find that a tragedy.
Make the career mode work better. Iron out all the problems that are inherent to generating these things dynamically. Correct all the issues and irritations re: scoring and pilot performance. Better match its logic, with regards to flight planning, airport selection, ATC instructions, and pilot performance to the actual plane you’re flying.
Improve (finally!) the ATC and traffic AI (air/sea, airport vehicles). Absolute clown show at the moment, and hugely immersion breaking.
Related: find another AI voice service. They said it was gonna be muuuch better this time round. It’s really not, even my car’s satnav sounds more natural.
If they insist on releasing it on XBox, then at least make sure it runs well (!) on XBox.
Related to that: if they make it run well on XBox, then make doubly sure it runs even better on PCs that exceed XBox hardware specifications.
Furthermore, my PC more than matches their original ‘Recommended’ system spec. It doesn’t feel like it. By all accounts, visuals and performance on an actual high-end top of the line PC (far better than mine) still seem to be underwhelming and don’t live up to expectations. Optimise the game further! Specifically VRAM usage, in my case, as well as LOD levels.
The new EFB is great. Unfortunately, it has a lot of issues around flight plan syncing, as well as fuel and payload setting.
Fulfill the promise that all our addons will work. I’ve got a small fortune invested in them, and I trusted them when they said it would ‘all just work’. I think we know by now that’s not the case at all.
The streaming stuff. I’m on board with it. But it does need to work better. It doesn’t feel reliable.
I’ve said nothing new here. But you asked Once they get these things sorted out, it will be a fine sim, and a worthy successor to 2020. Imo, of course
But how do you know this? Are you acquainted with all of Asobo’s employees? I mean, the proof is in the pudding. The product that they handed to MS to release was in a bad state. So, they are incompetent, unmotivated or unprepared for such a task…how else can you explain the state it is in?
We were told that this 2024 game was all this & that and had new, better code than 2020 game. We forgave a lot of the bad from 2020, and were slapped again in the face by Asobo. Not again.
And how do you know this? Are you informed enough or indeed otherwise qualified to judge people’s competence or motivation?
They made a product, and made it the best they could given the no doubt many (budget, time) constraints that were put on the project, and this is what came out.
Is it great? No. Did it need much more work? Yes. Is that down to Joe Programmer or Timmy Art Director? No.
Because the game is in an awful mess…not just server issues, but the game is broken in many ways. It was made badly…period.
If they were NOT incompetent, unmotivated or unprepared for such a task, then the game would be better…like you said, no one intentionally makes a bad game.
I’m going to jump in here and tell you how I know and it’s simple. Asobo refined MSFS 2020.
As I stated in the other thread, I believe something happened behind the scenes that caused the sim to be released in it’s current state. They supposedly had 500 people working on it so something doesn’t add up.
Yes again. And just like they were able to refine MSFS 2020 they will refine MSFS 2024.
And either did Asobo. Do you really believe they wanted to release it in it’s current state? Seriously? I don’t…that’s my opinion.
Yet, it was handed to MS to release. The buck MUST stop with Asobo for not delivering a finished product ON TIME. Your statement goes to prove my point that since they did not intend to deliver an unfinished product, that they must be incapable of doing so and meet the deadline.
In a nutshell, although MS did US dirty by selling us this game in it’s bad state, Asobo did us & MS dirty by not finishing on time.
I have just had two superb flights in the FFX Cirrus SF50 Jet using MSFS 2020 in VR, using SayIntentions.ai ATC (superb) and FS Traffic, Seafront Global Traffic together with the excellent GA Mod from Flightsim.to.
Everything worked really well and the whole experience was excellent.
In contrast, I spent the two previous days trying to salvage something, anything, useful from MSFS 2024 and failed. VR was awful, nothing in the ‘simulator’ worked as it should, no traffic of any kind (despite the MS forum saying that traffic was ok), no granular control of anything (unlike MSFS 2020), sporadic streaming, and…well, you get the picture.
MSFS 2024 is a half-baked product. IF it is a simulator at all, it is a pretty scenery simulator with a flying ‘game’ attached to it.
I started simming in 1974. I was an RAF pilot. I have plenty of patience but…this monstrosity of a game (for a game is clearly what it has been designed to be it would seem, in my opinion) has exhausted that patience.
I have refunded and may come back in a year. Until then, I am more than content with the excellent MSFS 2020, thank you. Your experience may be different and if it is, I am happy for you. I personally have had enough of this particular train wreck.
We can agree to disagree. Conversation is good. I agree MS did us dirty. I am not convinced Asobo meant to. That’s where we disagree. Just because Asobo did not intend to deliver an unfinished product does not mean they were incapable of doing so. They needed more time for sure.
I’m only going to say it one more time. I believe something happened behind the scenes that caused the prodict to be released a mess. Regardless I am not down for bashing Asobo and I am far away from labeling them as incompetent. It’s not helping.
