MilViz PC-6 Pilatus Porter Released

Support forums please. We have solutions for the above errors

The PMDG is also pirated.

We’re looking at suggestions but… it’s to be noted that all of us devs, the ones that speak to each other… to us, this is an important issue… one that’s not going away. Some products, like the Corsair, were pirated within an hour. And that’s not cool.

Fair warning: the C319 and the ATR, and, more specifically, our incoming milsim priducts, will all have DRM.

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Yes, it has. Because trying to combat piracy is fruitless and in the long run only hurts paying customers. Activation limits, download limits, completely unknown third party DRM… and then in two weeks, the DRM gets cracked and pirates end up with a better (DRM free) version of a product than paying customers do. No thanks.

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Having problems with the autopilot. It reads 99,000 on the altitude and cannot change it. Cannot set VS or anything. Anyone else have this problem?

I fully agree. I hope you do not think I am trolling you when I say your current implementation is not the greatest. Best case scenario you can come up with a solution with MS/Asobo. Some kind of database where Flightsim ID and your plane ID come together to create a uniqe key or something.
Also a solution worked out together by the major devs would be great. Just not something permanently resident. I really wish for you guys to get your money. But I also wish for it in the least risky way for the customers.

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Yeah it seems people are unaware that there’s DRM literally everywhere, if you follow this logic of “drm = no buy” then stop playing games, stop watching netflix and so on…
Ignorance is bliss it is not ?

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Read the manual please. It’s all in there.

I tried that, sadly no fix for the issue i’m having yet.

I am not against DRM. If it is implemented safely and as non intrusive as possible. There is a reason why Denuvo vanished from a lot of games.

This has nothing to do with ignorance or bliss. A permanent resident service that can be called upon by a remote service has literally no distinction from malware.

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Will buy as soon as it is on the marketplace!

Considering the price of these products and the size of the growing library proposed, it’s not a bad idea to have an installer/updater/market app. One that has the options of when to run/launch. Want to use the plane, start the app. I have the Corsair and looking forward to several other planes so far from MilViz, that will get up to $100+ before long. I think it’s worth having a more polished solution than exe/zip files per plane. MSFS pushing everyone out of their comfort zones :slight_smile:

We also have our options, like Colin mentioned; Marketplace and likely Orbx Direct that serve those purposes. I know some people are really down about other market places, but they do perform a service for a fee that addresses this issue and gives customers a larger market without spreading our credit cards around. Plus, making yet another login/password. As much as I like the idea of money going directly to the dev’s (bought the Corsair directly), services are sometimes a necessary cost of business and an opportunity to get to a larger customer base.

Note: I have not installed Orbx Direct and have no experience with it, so correct my assumptions.

Back to the Porter, it’s an odd looking duck :slight_smile: I’m waiting on some detailed reviews to see if it’s for me. Stage 2 or as I like to think of it “Future Free Add-ons” or “Early birds gifts” sound really good to me too.

The answer to piracy would be a marketplace that isn’t a hopeless joke with a smaller cut to Microsoft and editable configs.

I expect some developers would then choose to only sell through there.

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I think you might be shootin yourself in the foot with the DRM.
Still remember the fslabs fiasco a few years back and Im probably not the only one.
So sadly a skip for me although the plane looks great

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DRM is a very broad term, not all DRM is created equally.

Flight Sim Labs infamously included a tool to steal your usernames and passwords from Chrome in their “DRM”.

You would be alright with that though because “everything has DRM”?

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Thank god I entered the wrong Expiry date on the Purchase screen and then thought hmmm…let me check the forums… Well I am sitting this one out. 2 Phase release and this kind of DRM, Just not for me.

I feel like it has been released to get to the market before what looks like to be a more complete version that is still WIP. Well I have waited a year for this sim to start getting serious, so I can wait for Phase 2, better DRM (hopefully), and whoever puts out the best most complete version.

PIRACY in the flight sim world to me must be a fools errand, especially with the amount of updates as the sim progresses… Honestly I pity pirates, they are really in for a world of pain playing that game in this game/sim…hmmm maybe a sim…

Good luck all.

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Low level IFR flight from Bromma to Arlanda with ILS landing into Rwy 19R.
Flew the route & ILS impeccably.
TG

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Can I read the manual that addresses the “99,000 on altitude” before buying the plane ?

The NXI is not fully supported yet. Same with the engine pages. It’s on WT and not on us. They’re working with our team to rectify

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@Krazycolin I guess you are reading all the posts on DRM. Any chance this will be changed any time soon? There are customers here waiting for you! :wink:

For me the stage 1 / 2 thing is not an issue. I’m very excited about this plane, and will certainly enjoy it now, and the prospects of further improvements is just a plus.

If there are a few things I’ve learned dealing with DRM since the days of the Commodore 64…

  1. DRM discussions never solve anything. (So I really shouldn’t even be typing this. :slight_smile: )

  2. Most honest people will buy the things they want. 2,000 stolen copies isn’t 2,000 lost sales. It’s maybe 10-75 lost sales, depending on the product. The people who steal these things from pirate sites weren’t potential paying customers in the first place.

  3. DRM generally causes negative publicity (lost sales > sales to potential pirates) and usually gets broken eventually – some games get stolen because the hackers enjoy the challenge. (Also, studies have shown DRM can increase customer support requests by up to 10x.)

I don’t object to DRM as a principle. I’ve entered many serial numbers. What I don’t like (and yes, I have purchased the PC-6) is a process running on my PC. That has security implications and it uses resources. I do at least appreciate that it’s one process for all future MilViz releases, but I wish you could come up with a scheme that somehow checks once at startup rather than running all the time.

One process running all the time isn’t a big issue on the system. But when you accept one, at some point you might have 10 or more, each with their own security holes, each using a bit more in the way of resources, so it opens a huge can of worms.

But I don’t expect the discussion to change any minds on either side. In 35 years of discussing the topic (which started when I watched pirated DRM’d C64 disks being copied in my dorm), I’ve never seen a DRM discussion amount to anything but frustration for all involved.

So, don’t both reading the above. :slight_smile:

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Anyone having any issues with it? ive just bought it and installed but itll shutdown right after and flight controls wont move nor have avionics… ill try a reinstall