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Prior to attempting to take off out of n30 (Cherry Ridge) or KBGM in a Cessna 152, I will role the control wheel backward on my computer’s mouse. That provides a broad image of the plane’s panel which I find helpful in the pre-flight process. However, when subsequently attempting to move the view forward when getting ready to take off, the mouse does not respond at all - at either of those two airports (which I actually fly out of). I’m then left attempting to fly the plane unsafely from a position much further aft than I would like. The problem with the mouse does NOT occur under any other circumstance, e.g. not on the World Map page when entering FROM - TO information, nor in Word, nor in reading email - or in submitting this bug report.
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Thank you - but I had just hit “reply” and did not recognize this response space.
I have not utilized any other aircraft in that I own a Cessna 150 and am hoping to perfect my skills in it. Up until now, I have not tried any other airports other than n30. This evening, I loaded the following airports/runways and the same thing happened in each case:
KJFK - R31L
KLGA - R31
KAVP - R22
KBGM - R34
KPVC - R25.
Thanks again,
Jesse Tepper
Thanks, it would be helpful to know if you have the same issue with other aircraft. I’m going to check several variations and see if I can reproduce it. I’ve got the same setup and don’t have the issue. I’ll also check my mouse wheel bindings to compare to yours and see if that’s possibly the issue.
Regards @Vibstronium I’m sure he’s talking about the mouse scroll wheel.
Ah of course! In that case I suspect the problem: the scroll wheel is by default bound to both “zoom cockpit in/out” and “manipulate control up/down”. So if the mouse cursor is over certain controls, using the wheel does not scroll: it moves or rotates the control.
You need to be careful about where the mouse cursor is before using the scroll wheel for zoom, or – and I strongly suggest this – change the bindings so you have to do something like click the wheel and scroll it to get zoom.
(Personally I find the default zoom binding on the mouse incredibly poorly chosen – it interferes with use of the function during flight because the cockpit controls move around as you shake and turn etc.)
Hi there,
I just loaded the basic Cessna 172 - and the same problem there. In all other circumstances, the mouse scroll wheel operates normally.
This is a relatively new problem. I’ve “flown” before in the C-152 and I don’t recall it happening. I’m wondering if it developed secondary to a recent update.
BTW, I want to make it clear that I have not knowingly bound the scroll wheel to anything. What is happening is the scroll wheel’s default functioning.
Jesse Tepper
Hey Folks,
Thanks for your consideration of my Cessna 152 scroll wheel issue. At this point, do you have a concrete suggestion as to how best resolve the issue?
Thanks,
Jesse Tepper
I’ve looked at everything I can to try and reproduce this issue. But even starting at N30 in the same aircraft, it works correctly. My mouse settings are:
camera/cockpit camera/“zoom cockpit view” mouse wheel up
camera/cockpit camera/“unzoom cockpit view” mouse wheel down
It can be really touchy when trying to set up those choices using “start scanning”, so you might use “select and input” instead.
Regards
Great. I appreciate your efforts on my behalf. I’ll plug those inputs in later - and will certainly get back to you with the results.
Take care,
Jesse Tepper
Your suggestions work! Bravo! I went to the yoke usb settings, went to camera/cockpit camera/“zoom cockpit view” mouse wheel up, etc. But I was puzzled at that point in that after going to “select an input”, I couldn’t get the program to respond to my scroll wheel’s input. Then - and quite by accident - I discovered something new about the program, that not only are there multiple options in terms of programming the yoke and the pedals - but for the mouse as well. I wasn’t even aware that the mouse has its own settings! So I went to those settings and there were the settings YOU had recommended! I immediately saved them - and tried them out on the 152. Beautiful. I went back and forth NUMEROUS times - loving every cycle. I was so happy doing that that I never even tried to get off of the ground. (Hey - can you log "zoom - unzoom cycles? Hmmm. I’ll have to check the FARs on that one. LOL)
Once again - MANY thanks for your thoughtful and generous input. I really appreciate it.
Jesse Tepper
While the Control wheel problem has been resolved, doing so unleashed a host of other mouse related issues. Given everything else that is going on in your life, would you be open to taking them on - or should I post them as new issues and let someone else take a crack at them?
Jesse Tepper
Let’s go after those issues! Can’t ensure I’ll be able to help with all of them, but we have a pretty good community with lots of knowledge.
Regards
Well - thank you for your kind offer. First of all, I, thanks to you, continue to enjoy just zooming in and out. Who cares about actually flying! (Ha!)
But late last night, after “zooming” for a while, I attempted to actually fly that Cessna 152 - and those efforts did not bear fruit. Specifically, and in marked contrast to my satisfying experiences prior to rectifying the mouse issue, when clicking the left button on the mouse and:
(1) pointing the mouse at the yoke, the yoke turned blue - but I was not able to make it “invisible”;
(2) highlighting the magnetos, it was not possible to start the engine;
(3) pointing it at the Glare Shield Lighting button, it was not possible to change the lighting;
(4) pointing it the primer, it highlights the primer but the primer is not responsive to input.
While it may seem like several different problems, my sense is that since they all developed at the same time, it is likely that they share a fundamental process and that that process was altered by my previous adjustment to the mouse. It’s not clear to me what that commonality could be.
Puzzling. Your thoughts?
Thanks again,
Jesse Tepper
Just off the top of my head, it sounds like you’re using the mouse in “lock” mode. Before the change to the zoom settings were you getting the blue coloring around devices/instruments/etc, or were you getting little arrows when you wanted to turn something?
I’m going to fire up the sim so I can try some things.
You can see which mode you’re in by looking at options/general options/accessibility. About the third thing in “user interface “ should be “cockpit interaction “. It will show “lock” or “legacy”.
If it’s “lock” you should be able to change things by either using your mouse scroll wheel or using mouse X axis (move your mouse left or right). You can test with the VOR gauge on the OBS dial. Put your mouse on it and either click and hold left mouse button and move the mouse left/right and see if the course ring around the instrument moves. Or you can just leave your mouse pointer on that dial and scroll up/down to change course (it’s usually slower turning this way).
Interesting. I won’t have a chance to check the possibilities out tonight - but certainly will tomorrow evening. I’ll get back to you then.
BTW, I am more and more impressed with how richly complex this program is.
Have a good evening/day.
Jesse Tepper
You’re right on - once again. Cockpit interaction WAS in “lock” position. I must have moved it while exploring possible solutions to the control wheel issue. Unlocked it - and flewwww! It was GREAT getting off of the ground! Now I have to finesse the sensitivities, etc. but that is minor stuff. In addition, I also have to make sure I have sufficient oxygen on board to handle the Flight Levels. (HA!)
Thank you!!!
BTW, I’m impressed by your knowledge of the intricacies of MSFS 2020. Are you on the design team?
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