I hadn’t planned to switch to MSFS24 anyway at a euro price of €80 for the standard version.
The points you listed make my decision even clearer - thanks for that
Even better, change that to Feb 29th, 2025. 
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It seams to me that in the sim industries (msfs and some addons) are now release in the alpha mode and beta mode. They seams to rely on us to do the testing. Not the way it was in the past. We accept this and say nothing. At the $$$ of the new sim, it should be release in late beta or complete. They want $$$ without a complete software.
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it really looks like that’s the case, yes, inhouse testing is only minimal (at least as compared to what it used to be)
the bulk of the testing is done on the field by the users
not all of us
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its basically what i expected. Of course it will take months or even years, till the sim has improved to a great, polished platform, with all the AddOns that make simming interesting.
Fortunately, we already have such platform, called MSFS and all my favorite AddOns work flawlessly there.
So i really have no hurry at all to make the jump.
Will i buy and test it at release? Of course!
Will it be my main-sim from day 1? Absolutely not…
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The fact of the matter is it’s coming in 4 days so you can make your peace with that.
You can either buy it, play it on Game Pass, stick with MSFS 2020, or play both.
I will probably remove MSFS 2020 from my system as it takes up a lot of space and stick with MSFS 2024 for the foreseeable future.
The great news here is that it the choice is entirely yours 
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I am sure software developers around here and particularly interactive software development experts (Games etc) admit and know that such a platform is super complex to develop, optimize and make compatible with everything that we call hardware and software all around… While delivering every single feature and performance users expect it to deliver…
I said it before I guess, at my daily job, we develop software for real aviation, yet it is a fraction of the complexity of MSFS and no need to say that we are not reaching any perfection in any release…
A flight sim with MSFS capability, tech, scope, features, compatibility objectives etc. etc. etc. is without any doubt, one of the most complex software that exist for entertainment since software for entertainment exist.
And yes I will buy MSFS 2024 but debating with myself , what version.
Cheers
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Careers are not a gamified aspect.
All the jobs in career mode are real things people do every day. The Career mode is simulating those jobs, and Asobo consulted with people who do these jobs to make sure they’re an accurate simulation to real life.
an example given in a dev video, was in air ambulance missions you need to stay at certain altitudes to keep the patient stable. That was feed back given to them by someone in that career.
If anything free flight is more of a ‘game’ then career mode because there’s no consequences. If you crash you can just restart the flight.
In career mode you have (optional) training and you need to pass your check ride for each aircraft classification before you can fly that aircraft.
In career mode if it’s an aircraft you own, you’ll either have to repair it or replace it with the money you earned if you damage or destroy it.
This isn’t like the missions in FSX
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Unlike most app developers, Microsoft (the “M” in MSFS 2024) has a reputation beyond gaming that could be damaged if the release is as bad as Cyberpunk 2077.
my thoughts exactly bro
All I will say is, those old titles you harken back to were far, far simpler in scope with much smaller codebases. The magic idea of testing every single tiny nook and cranny is something of a long bygone era, and it’s particularly severe in something that requires as much technical knowledge as a flight sim. QA testers can do only so much, and this community tends to be aggressively good at finding problems.
To the folks getting annoyed by “gamification”: good for you, but this is how I get involved more in the sim and this is how I get friends in the sim. Not everyone likes to sit in a tubeliner all day. Also, the much lauded FSX if I recall had loads of fun little missions…
I’d argue what we’ve seen of the 2024 career system is far more realistic than those old missions, and people having been clamoring for years for a system like this; look at how many FSX mods exist for this purpose!
MSFS effectively revived the genre by making it accessible to the masses, whether you want to admit that or not. That does need to continue for future titles to exist.
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I hope you’re right, but that’s gonna be a big 'ol wait and see. We can’t go off anything we’ve seen yet as it in no way represents the final product, right?
Yeah, these are things real pilots do, but how realistically they’re implemented is what’s going to determine if the player considers them “gamified”.
But as a good example, I would consider Reno to be “gamified” even though it’s based on a real life activity. You start in the air already, there’s no realistic player collision or engine monitoring, and there are onscreen graphics, which in my opinion makes it more of an arcade type game than a simulation. Not that that’s a bad thing either. These things make the game more accessible and entertaining for the player. But we may see some of this in the career mode as well, where realism is traded for playability. It’s subjective where you drawn the line, but I’m anticipating some hardcore simmers will say it’s too far toward the latter.
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My career in software development predates yours. We were using task decomposition and smart goals from the very inception of the term - though we didn’t call it that.
Agile sucks, btw. It’s far less agile than smart goals. And of course all the “agile” projects that fail, the excuse is “they didn’t do agile right!”
If you keep in mind the customer pays, you’re going to put the customer first. Everything flows from that, including getting continuous customer feedback.
It’s as simple as that, always has been, always will be.
Case in point - The Aerosoft fiasco. How many are going to pre-order anything from them next time? Trust can take years to build and seconds to destroy.
Or honeycomb … They have stock in stores, but I don’t trust them, so I’ll wait and make do with what I’ve got.
Same as, given the constant breakage, I’m not jumping into 2024.
It’s like going on a cross-country trip. You have a brand new vehicle you just picked up, less than 50 miles on it - you’d be a fool to try to drive it cross-country.
For the air collisions (and crash modeling), isn’t it an ESRB thing in order to rate MSFS for all ages? With recent USA history and Internet shock “Humor” in mind, it’s safe to say that was a good idea. Also, if racing planes “ghost” each other you can’t get shunted out. For some reason, multiplayer racing is rife with players shunting each other off the course.
And I have the sense that the “gamey” indicators are there mostly to compensate for things inherently missing from a simulation, like the pilot’s peripheral vision and depth of field when viewing actual objects at a distance, right?
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Agree. Let’s hope Microsoft are backing up Asobo as much as possible and that this discussion will be moot come Tuesday.
This. I am NEVER preordering anything from them ever again, nor am I buying anything unless it has matured and has been confirmed to be usable. And I’m not talking even about the Airbus, but also about their CRJ which flopped with so many issues and they never cared to fix it.
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I have never understood preordering a game, or anything for that matter. It’s like buying jeans from a store without trying them on first.
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Meh I don’t care, I haven’t let $130 get in my way since I was 9yo. And that was in 1980’s dollars.
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Car reliability has massively improved over the last few decades. In the 90s, I wouldn’t have dared driving a new Chevy cross-country from the lot. Today, I’d grab a Mexico-assembled Chevy Equinox and point it to the other coast without hesitation.
Things change and we must always evaluate our old paradigms lest they become anachronistic.
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Regardless of the outcome I’m excited and looking forward to giving it a go day one 
Bring it on Asobo!
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mods can we restore normal speed on this topic, things seem to have calmed down in here