None of it makes even the slightest amount of logical sense to me, and I’ve tried hard to understand it. People describing certain aircraft as ‘toys’ is just such a weird way of thinking about things.
I know Leonardo does.
yea im going to 100% disagree with you on this. Want full study level F-18? You know where to go. This is targeted as a general model that can be used by the majority of novices in a full scale real-word environment Flight Simulator was created for. Dont like it? Dont use it and wait until someone builds a study-level fighter that suits your needs. Or build it yourself. You have any idea how much cash you could rake in if you did that? There is a reason DC Designs is extremely popular with a non-study level aircraft. Its the target audience. I wish that the same huge effort people like yourself use to complain about would be spent building the very study-level product you are demanding. As a real-world pilot, I would pay double the amount for the sim we have right now, because for people like me, there is an incredible amount of value and entertainment as-is. It’s a no from me.
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I think, in my opinion your precisely missing the point.
Myself and I’m assuming the OP do not want a study level F18, we don’t even want an F18 at all.
What I and some other want is to have the planes we already have improved to at least fully functional.
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True words are spoken here. That is exactly how I see things.
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Yes, absolutely, they should take all the time they need. They should stop releasing stuff that is broken. We flight simmers are a very patient group, hell, who else sits at a computer waiting patiently for hours to arrive at an airport, only in actual fact to leave one’s computer a few hours later having gone nowhere.
So please, Asobo, take your time, get things right, stop adding more and more content when things are broken, stop breaking things every update, if it is not ready, don’t release it, that way you build confidence, the users see that you are doing things properly and will wait for improvements, happy in the knowledge that what they have, and have paid for, works, and is not worse than it was before said update. Stop doing things without telling us, LOD distances reduced again in this update, was it mentioned on release notes, no, have we noticed yes, did you mean to do it? Who knows. Now we will be in the situation where we have to wait for months until you acknowledge it’s yet another think you have inadvertently broken. Then more months to fix, just to put us back in a position we were on release.
We will also now have to wait for months for a fix to the weather system that Asobo has broken in the last update. Stop doing it, if it is not ready don’t release it, it is so simple. Instead of forcing to use broken and worse software than we used to have.
So yes take your time and stop screwing up the sim.
Oh and they are not doing things that go above and beyond what sims have done in the past, technology has moved on and improved, not the developers.
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The weather is stunning!
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It is not, it is completely broken after SU7.
Cloud height is totally wrong (clouds all over the ground), excessive haze where there should not be, abrupt transitions suddenly changing the weather all around you, the list goes on.
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it’s like playing Need for Speed Underground 2 but expecting the cars to handle as if it were iracing. FS2020 is nothing more than a platform and they have given us a few planes to play with and a basic level of interaction with them in order to get people possibly interested in spending more money on more expensive planes with higher levels of fidelity. Asobo has to prioritize optimizing the game for everyone be in casual GA flyers to hardcore full send VA pilots who’s mantra is “if it aint 1:1 it aint worth nothin”, not adding high fidelity planes that ultimately only cater to a small percentage of the total user base across all platforms
FS never had study level commercial planes included with the base game. The GA planes were more likely to be of high fidelity simply because a cessna 152 has far less moving parts to program than a 747
here many people praising PMDG, excellent products, resolution 580x225 as soon as you zoom hahahahaha but of course they perfectly emulate the systems
So the high-end is something like the Zibo in Xplane?
MSFS is very flexible. It can become a simulator or an arcade game.
It depends on how you want it to be.
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I cannot believe that you took that bait! 
By now, everybody on this forum and their neighbors know how you feel about the weather after SU7.
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I’m glad, that is the idea!
Absolutely ridiculous discussion
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If this was an open source project, we would already have seen a few forks by now as the debate between hardcore simmers and casual gamers will never end (be it about flight sims, or racing sims, or narrowboat sims or whatever).
Personally I’d love to see Asobo dedicate all its resources to fixing the (numerous) existing bugs and the overall stability, and further improve the weather engine, the base flight model and all that comes with it, rather than waste time with study level aircraft.
We’ve already seen that sometimes they lack expertise when it comes to hardcore aviation stuff but that’s OK as long as they leave an open door to others (from welcoming the WT crew as a partner, to sharing their API and also publishing proper and up to date SDK documentation). Any hardcore gaps can be filled in by super-specialized freeware or payware addons, created by people with very specific targets which appeal to very specific audiences.
As long as the foundations are solid, great things can be built on top of them by 3rd parties.
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Up to a point, however recent additions make breaking the immersion part of the core such as …
…unfortunately you cannot remove default aircraft AFAIK.
I think MFS can be whatever you want it to be. I use it as a serious simulator and have no problem doing so. The few aircraft I bought are the highest level simulations available for MFS right now. I don’t buy the ‘toys’ that some people put out. But if your someone who buys those and treats MFS like a game then no problem, there is a fine line between ‘gaming’ and ‘simming’. The later is a more serious, true to life form of ‘gaming’. But any sim, x-plane and MFS X also can be considered the exact same. Its how you use it. MFS has enough true ‘sim’ elements to it and the way I personally use it I view it as the best ‘sim’ I’ve ever used. This debate is dumb and pointless honestly, use the program as you see fit. For many of us, its a great simulator, and when I want it to be, it’s a fun game.
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You are correct in many ways of course, however, it is becoming harder and harder to use it as a sim, due to the course of action taken by the developers and into what areas they are putting their resources and time, e.g the last update, all effort into races (game) whilst leaving us with a completely broken weather engine (sim).
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Could not agree more, that’s why I have initiaded this thread to adress this matter..
Probably it will be of no use, but one can try…
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