I have been flying MSFS 2024 for the last week for several hours without any problems.
Then, just a few minutes ago, the computer froze while I was in the Career “office”, and then 32 minutes later while I was flying. I rebooted and went straight into Event Viewer.
At the exact same time of the computer freezing up on me both times, Windows Defender was updating its status the first time, and the second freeze happened exactly when Windows Defender was downloading and installing an update.
Is there any communication between MS and Asobo’s programmers? Why would two software developers allow an Operating System’s updating process to happen while a program is running - an OS made by MS? Do they honestly think that an update, FROM MS, is going to take place in the background without any negative repercussions to an unstable cloud based product such as MSFS 2024?
About the randomness of this Bug.
I’ve had HT off for years now, better performance for me in FS2020 since then.
In FS2024 I actually tried to solve the crash by turning it ON again, see if it helped, it didn’t.
So Hyperthreading makes no difference.
I’m also leaning towards the Memory Bug.
But one thing strikes me, spoke with several AMD processor users, and they -specifically three people-, are not experiencing any crashes.
Should we post our CPU models here and see if perhaps there’s also a pattern?
Mine is a brand new 14900KF, with 64 GB RAM, and a 4090. No issues in any other games or apps.
Thanks for the tips! This is exactly what I’m talking about—charging €200 for something like this is outrageous. Sure, it’s fine for those of us who know how to make these changes, but the average user just wants to buy the game on the Microsoft Store, download it, and enjoy it. They have no business messing around in the BIOS.
What’s worse is that in other threads, the developer keeps blaming known Intel issues—which have supposedly been fixed already. Funny how these issue doesn’t seem to appear in other games.
Other applications run perfectly fine on hardware far beyond the recommended specs without requiring performance limitations. If there’s a workaround for a bug, it’s the developer’s job to implement it, not the customer’s.
I have an i9-13900K and have a ticket with Intel for it being possibly ’ defective’. This is according to Asobo/ Zendesk [ when you try to open a bug report/ trouble shooting report, it states these CPU’s may be damaged/ defective due to certain MObos placing too much load on these CPu’s, or they have some other defect [2022 batch]. Anyway, i forget all the technical details.
-Intel should be shipping me a replacement i9-13900K in a few days. Lets see if replacing it solves this problem.
Yeah, there’s likely absolutely nothing wrong with your CPU so putting in a new one isn’t going change anything for you. You need to do a couple of things if want to ensure your new CPU doesn’t get damaged:
Update your BIOS to the latest version for your motherboard.
Ensure the settings in the BIOS are employing the standard Intel approved power limitations. You can likely do this by simply selecting one of the Intel default power plans within your BIOS.
Make no other changes to your BIOS settings, except for maybe implementing XMP for your RAM.
Don’t overclock your CPU.
Bottom line, very few, if any, CPUs have actually been damaged by Intel’s miscue. But running improper power limitations in your BIOS setup will make the CPU unstable in some cases. Setting up the BIOS to employ the correct power limitations will prevent instability, even with the chip you are returning to Intel.
As an application, MSFS 2024 still has some serious stability issues that are completely independent from what CPU you have. As I’ve noted above in this thread, I’m running a 14900K and am overclocking the snot out of it with a motherboard power plan that’s NOT Intel approved. My CPU runs well within it’s temperature limits and is perfectly stable.
I’m betting you have no stability issues with any application other than MSFS 2024. If so, I highly doubt there is an issue with your CPU.
So, if my hardware is the potential problem: Why are my computer crashes random (some good days and other days when freezing happens constantly) while using MSFS 2024? Further, why does it only happen with MSFS 2024 and not with other apps that require far more horsepower? Well, those apps are not cloud based - So maybe that is the underlying problem. No other app that I use is cloud based and they all work fine.
Everyone needs to remember that Asobo & MS both stated months ago that a i7-13700F, along with 32 GB RAM, 2 x 16 GB DDR5-4800 sticks, and an RTX 4060 Ti 16 GB was more than enough to run MSFS 2024 at its highest settings. At least that is what I was told when I asked MS on more than one occasion pre-release.
Well, mine just froze up again while on approach at the end of a 90 minute flight. Unbelievable.
Why even fly any more if this keeps up. It was working great though for the first time all last week.
Interesting in that it causes the computer to freeze when it has to download more and more scenery.
I checked my ISP’s download rate and it is at 435 Mbps.
Event Viewer shows that Windows Management Instrumentation (WMI) service subsystems were starting at the exact same time MSFS 2024 caused my computer to freeze.
Another service that it shows that was starting was PowerPanel Personal, and that one makes no sense because it is always on as it monitors the uninterrupted power source the computer is plugged into, so that is a new one. It has never popped up on Event Viewer before.
The Warnings in the list of Applications all read as: A provider, IntelMEProv, has been registered in the Windows Management Instrumentation namespace root\Intel_ME to use the LocalSystem account. This account is privileged and the provider may cause a security violation if it does not correctly impersonate user requests.
One question keeps bugging me: Why are so many users flying for hours without experiencing a single CTD?
I spoke to someone on the SPAD.neXt Discord server who has the same hardware as me, except he’s using an AMD CPU, while I’m on an Intel 14900KF. This guy has never had a CTD in FS2024!
Are these CTDs only affecting Intel users, or are there AMD CPU users out there experiencing the same issues?
Depends on the AMD chip being used, I suppose. But turning HT off and/or using the Windows “High Performance” mode should eliminate your CTDs with your 32 thread chip until the MSFS team figures out a fix for an issue they are already aware of.
I´ve had HT turned off for years, and not just using High Performance, but Bitsum High Performance. It crashes all the same.
I was wondering, where did you get the info that this solution "should’ eliminate our CTDs?
Also, “a fix for an issue they are aware of,” where did you get this information?
As of today, Zendesk is still telling me to erase my drive once again, and that , and I quote, “no amount of updates from their side is going to fix my CTDs”, literally.
While the language says “more” than 32 cores, my experience is that whatever their issue with “more” than 32 cores actually affects 32 or more cores/threads, as I was able to solve the CDTs by turning HT off, thus reducing the number of threads to 24.
Yeah, the 32 cores post, saw it.
So you’re saying, that all your CTD’s are gone just by simply disabling HT in your BIOS?
How long since your last crash, more or less?
I haven’t changed a thing in my BIOS and am yet to experience a single CTD. Hyper Threading and XMP are both enabled for me on inspection. I run just 2 items in my community folder which is a scenery pack by PilotPlus for Bristol (EGGD) and the Brussles mega airport (EBBR) by Aerosoft. The BIOS was flashed and updated by myself around 6 months ago. With some reasonably dated components, this is my current spec.
After yesterdays ‘Small Hotfix’ which was 10.93gb for me on the Aviators edition via the Xbox game manager, I have had exceptional performance across a mostly ‘Ultra’ outlay of settings. My VRAM bug also seems to have been fixed after testing multiple separate flight instances around the world in the same session. Every flight performed extremely well for me, for the first time possibly ever since launch. Before yesterday’s update, It was essential that I restarted after every single flight in order to flush my card properly.
I still don’t fully understand what my 10.93gb update included yesterday. My sim was bang up to date so it wasn’t any stacked updates playing catch up. As far as I can work out it was patching many of the Aviators edition aircraft, and evidently a lot more also…
Yes that’s is what I am saying. I disabled XMP, hyper threading off(I don’t think I had it on to begin with but it is definitely off now) reduced active cores from 32 to 30 (I don’t remember where this setting was but Google will bring you to a YouTube video showing how) then I reduced my P Core ratio from 57 (5.7GHz) to 55(5.5GHz).
Since I first did this over 2 weeks ago now I haven’t had a single CTD.
My setup
i9-14900KF
Asus ROG Strix MB
4080 Super
32GB DDR5 6000Mhz RAM
2tb m.2 SSD
850w power supply.
I haven’t had a BSOD, random restart or CTD in any game since. I also DO NOT notice any performance hit
