My first VATSIM experience

I love the idea of a script generator. My biggest hold up to participating in the vat sim network more frequently is my inability to keep up with the instructions quite as quickly as I should. I’ll try to anticipate the instructions but if just one thing is said that I don’t expect it throws me off for my read back. I’m sure with more time that will improve but a script generator sounds like a fantastic idea.

I’ll also say what many others have in this thread: in my short time on the network the controllers are very kind and understanding and work with you. It’s a much appreciated service and as I continue to grow more comfortable with the planes I like to fly I’ll spend more time on the network.

Ah I saw your post on the VATSIM Forums, it’s awesome that you like the network so much!

It really does add a new level of immersion, and changes the way you use your simulator entirely. I’ve been on the network for a decade but I still remember when I was new - I was terrified. And for good reason. Being new on a realism-oriented network, using phraseology and terminology you’ve never heard of, speaking fast and unintelligable is incredibly scary.

This happens IRL too, and is called Mic Scare. The only way to combat it is with experience. You won’t usually start to feel like you’ve got the hang of it before you’ve logged at least 50-100 hours. But know that everybody on the network started out like this.

I’ve helped more new members than I can count, and in that time I’ve gotten to hear a bunch of stories like yours. Keep it up, and enjoy the network!! :slight_smile:

Hello. I am also new on VATSIM. You say: Have to set the MSFS correctly:
Turn AI Traffic off, Multiplayer to Group Only and weather to Live Weather, Live Players Off.

AI Traffic off an Live Players off ok. But why Multiplayer to Group?

Thanks!

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The group is VATSIM. It’s so that you appear to other VATSIM pilots, and they appear to you.

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Yes, i am already use the VATSIM Network and all works fine… But i never had Multiplayer On in the MSFS Settings. All other traffic should be off, so you will see only the VATSIM aircraft?

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Yes. The setting actually says “off (group only)”. That’s the setting you need. If you’re already using it, then you’re already doing things correctly.

I don’t recall whether VATSIM requires AI traffic to also be disabled, but I would strongly recommend it anyway.

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FWIW, I actually started down the path of becoming a VatSim controller. I can definitely see why a lot of people are intimidated to connect and talk. Frankly some nights the traffic on VatSim is close to RL, especially CHI, ATL and LAX, and East Coast in the USA.
If it helps, I found that just getting the voice client installed and connected and doing some short VFR flights around lower volume airports is the way to go.

VatSim uses a ‘top down’ approach to controlling so, anywhere the is a center controller, you can get all the services (clearance delivery, Ground, APP/Departure and Center). If you are not ready for, say tower, find a place with only Ground and that way, once your handed off to tower, its ‘unicom’. Also, there is no rule that says you can’t just hop on and file a flight plan and log off. Obviously, it would be a pain if every one did it all the time but, if you start in small chunks, your ‘phraseology’ will improve to the point where, for example, asking for VFR or even IFR clearance is easy, second nature.

Remember, most of the volunteers on VatSim are hobbyist themselves, their chosen hobby being, ATC. They are no always perfect and most won’t expect you to be either. If you run across a controller that is rude, just close the client and keep flying, try again with a different controller. I have found, using VatSim for a couple months now, only 1 o of the many many controllers to be a tad rude. That was CHI and I can understand. A lot of new VatSim users want to jump on and get in the CHI or ATL airports and that does cause problems.

Do yourself a favor, start somewhere like KS or MEM (KMEM). I know personally the KMEM team is very kind, things are typically less chaotic at MEM than say, LAX. It is up to you to google the FAA/AIM rules (google IFR or VFR phraseology) and learn the processes. It can be a lot but, if you really want to interact with a live ATC virtual or not, you need to be responsible and prepare yourself. If you make a mistake, many times, it is no big deal. About the only mistakes that will get you a ‘good talking to’ are things like, taxing across runways without clearance, well, taxing without clearance at all is a no-no, taking off without clearance, landing with out clearance or wrong runway, which happens on occasion. Most of that is mechanical stuff though, what a new virtual ATC user needs to start with, strictly my opinion, is just learning to call in on the right frequency with ATIS information in hand, and filing a simple VFR then eventually IFR plans (All by the way, covered on the FAA site).

The more prepared you are by reading the FAA and related documents the better. Also, I highly recommend, just logging in and listening to the various controllers. You can literally start practicing what to say and know what to expect just by listening in. You can be sitting on the ground in your vCockpit just listening, no harm there at all.

Also, lots of videos out there of people using the VatSim network, real life examples of the various kinds of requests and responses.

I will say having started down the ATC path, they pretty thorough. They take their controllers very seriously and do not let just anyone join and jump on and start ATC work. There is a fair amount of time these volunteers, some real life ATC people, put into their chosen hobby. Many are also sim pilots just like you so, they know what its like to be new and also understand when your just off the runway and the ■■■■ 747-800 FMC starts circling : ) There is no shame in saying, ‘hey, sim issue, Im gonna log off, etc’. The VatSim network isn’t perfect and neither is the sim software nor the pilots.

Again, just re-stating, you can always log on and observe, and by all means, don’t be ‘that guy’ they have to basically train while trying to service other pilots. Make some effort to learn the basic processes, like how to file a flight plan, then, don’t be afraid to key up the mic and start. The sooner you do, the sooner you’ll have a few hours of online ATC time, the sooner it will become 2nd nature.

Oh, almost forgot, someone mentioned, you cannot in fact, be on the VatSim network and ignore controllers once your in flight. You will get contacted by a VatSim ‘manager’ who will remind you that you are expected to respond to controllers as part of their EULA/Terms/policy/etc. If your making long flights and need to step away, you can request it but, be prepared to be asked to sign off if you are not going to participate. There ways to kind of get around this but, if your new to the system, best follow the law : )

Lastly, for real this time, 1, do not be afraid to keep a paper and a working pen near you. Real pilots do it or have co-pilots, so dont hesitate to write down the information, like IFR clearances, if you need to, no shame in that. Don’t be afraid you talking back too slowly if you need to read it back off of paper, its all good. Also, if the the controller is talking too fast, or low or you cannot understand, don’t be afraid to ask them to repeat for you. Most times, I find, they get the hint. Not everyone does this every day for a living, so, they will slow down if you ask them to repeat or just ask them to slow down a little. A couple weeks, and you will be the one speaking too fast lol.

PLEASE, have the phonetic alphabet tapped on your desk or handy. This is probably the number 1 most confusing communication piece. If you know it great, if not, have it on hand and start learning it. Also, PLEASE use SkyVector or similar to start looking at charts. If you are going to fly IFR, you need to start learning how to read STARS, SIDs and landing procedures. If it sounds like a lot, it is. For some, FS is a game, thats fine. For others, it is an immersive sim experience, giving yourself ground school (Again, the explanation of all this is on the FAA site!), is going to be needed. Simple VFR with ATC has processes, start there, then work up to IFR then maybe on to the airliners and jets etc. Again, just my opinion.

Anyway, its there to help us have fun so, use it but, do your part to prepare!

Have fun!

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VATSIM has taken my MSFS 2020 to a entirely other level, opened up a new world. Amazing.
Everyone should do it , but I’d adise you to overly-prepared, like I did, there are many others working with these controllers be as professional as possible and be considerate for those trying to make a great experience together.

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I respectfully but completely disagree. This is one of the things we’re trying to change on the network! By logging off with a bad experience without doing anything, other people will most likely have a bad experience too, and that’s not good for the network.

Instead, call for assistance from a supervisor by typing the .wallop command, followed by a brief description of what you need assistance for (including relevant callsigns of the other users involved), like this:
.wallop ABC_TWR is being disrespectful to me

A supervisor will most likely help you promptly. In that way, the people who misbehave on the network can face the consequences for acting inappropriately, making the network a much better place. But as you say, you will only rarely encounter rude users. The vast majority of the network is amazing and supportive.

Indeed! I would very much recommend the AviationPro VATSIM Tutorial series! It’s from 2017 and plenty has been updated since then, but the core elements persist. I’d also very much recommend the VATSIM Pilot Resource Center, which has a lot of good information in a centralized place.

As the guy who manages the “managers”, I’d recommend to leave it at that. :stuck_out_tongue: I get where you’re going, but let’s try to stick by the book; it will only negatively affect the new user.. :smiley: But, and a big but (no pun intended)

DING-DING DING! Learn the CRAFT Principle (described below), which is used throughout the world (in different variants, but always the same order). That WILL make it a lot easier for you to get used to IFR clearances, which unfortunately is one of the hardest, but also the first thing you’ll encounter in the process. Also, use a good, old pen and paper, not your PC keyboard!

= CRAFT Principle =

Write down CRAFT vertically on a piece of paper (Paper, not computer!)
CRAFT stands for Clearance, Route, Altitude, Frequency, Transponder.

No matter where you are, you’re in 99% of the cases gonna be given a clearance in that order. In some places, especially outside the U.S., you will not be given them all, but just skip them in that case. :wink:

Here’s the description:

  • C - Clearance (usually the destination airport)

  • R - Route (usually route from the airport to the start of your flight plan)

  • A - Altitude (Initially, before being identified on a radar scope, useful in case of congestion, separation and possible radio failure)

  • F - Frequency (On departure, as it’s a critical stage of flight and having it preset is always good)

  • T - Transponder (Squawk code)

For example, clearance in the UK will in most cases only include CRT, but it’s still in the same order. :slight_smile:

Everyone makes up their own ways to write it down, but a usual clearance will go something like this, look below for an example of what you would note down:

Pilot: "Gardermoen delivery, SAS123 at stand 13, type 737-800 with information Echo, requesting IFR clearance to Heathrow."

ATC: "SAS123, Gardermoen delivery, cleared to Heathrow via the ATLAP 4A departure, runway 01L, cleared 7000ft, squawk 3124."
  • C - EGLL
  • R - ATLAP4A / 01L
  • A - 7000
  • F -
  • T - 3124

Note that I didn’t get a frequency with the clearance as that’s not provided at that airport, so I just left it blank.

Also, don’t get stuck on something! If you can’t make out exactly what the SID is called, don’t worry, write down what you think it sounded like! “ATLOP4A” will still make sense when you check it in your FMC. Practice writing while the controller is talking, don’t try to remember things! Be a mindless robot, write it down as he talks, then read back what you’ve got on your notepad. In that way, ATC can catch any errors in what you have written down. Smart, eh?

Tag me or quote me or whatever if anyone wants more tips on the network! <3

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I had my first ever flight on VATSIM today, a vfr flight from EGCC (Manchester) to EGBB (Birmingham) in the DA62. I chose the route as Manchester had a ground controller operating and the rest of the flight would be on unicom… a slow “dip toe in the water” type of experience.

I found the whole thing incredibly enjoyable and I appreciate the tips that were given in this thread for MSFS settings to use.

It was great to get sequenced for departure and then handed over to unicom. Using unicom (voice and text) was problem free, with a departing airliner at Birmingham sending a text message that they would hold short until I landed and vacated the runway. (They also said I was showing up on TCAS for them.)

I will definitely be using VATSIM again.

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I’m with all of you, I did my very 1st VATSIM Is flight last night from Flagler executive in Palm coast Florida to Jacksonville international (KFIN-KJAX). Flagler is my home airport that I fly out of as I’m getting ready to take the private pilots exam to get my license. I did an IFR flight with multiple points And yes hitting that PPT button for the 1st time and transmitting was very nerve racking. I must have practiced 10 to 15 times before I actually hit the button and transmitted lol. The controller could not have been nicer!!
(Pro tip- When you file your flight plan the Box below for comments just put in that your new and at your 1st flight). That’s what I did and you can tell he spoke a little bit slower for me than the other pilots other pilots and really gave me a couple extra tips and help me out. When I finally came in for my final descent and landed on Ils rn 8 At Jacksonville International, I did Apologize To air traffic control and the other pilots out there For some of my mistakes and hopefully I do not waste too much Of everyone’s time Over comms, And the response I got next almost made me tear up a little. Not only did ATC T tell me that it was no problem and I did a great job but 5 or 6 other pilots also congratulated me over the air.
The best part was my daughter got to hear all that and they’re all that and came in and said wow daddy you’re real buddy you’re a real pilot and actually meant it. To get that from my 14 year old teenage daughter was the best.
But all seriousness, everybody on vatsim was wonderful, Friendly and helpful.
I know how to fly obviously I’m about 2 weeks from getting my license but I might push off the check flight a week or 2 And practice some more on VATSIM.
Yes it is that real! Now that I’ve used the system I don’t think I can ever go back to jusuggest standard standard flying in Microsoft lights simulator. It’s almost as real as it gets, obviously there’s more leeway and people can be a little more friendlier over the air but it really gives you All the basics and even some of the more advanced ways of speaking to ATC.
I wish I would have written down the controller’s name but I do want to thank ATC And everyone that makes VATSIM such a great free community.
If you haven’t tried it I highly recommend it but be careful you will never go back. Even if you just sign in as an observer and listen, You still get that great real feeling of being in a real plane at an airport.

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VATSIM is indeed very fun!

For you guys and gals that are scared about VATSIM I will let you in on something. You’re not going to learn everything overnight and the controllers know this however it’s strongly encouraged that you learn the basics before you hop the network. There are many, many resources out there to help you.

If something isn’t working right then simply straight up say it on frequency. They would much, much rather you speak up about something you don’t understand or a problem than be in complete silence. Controllers are very accommodating.

EDIT: Video seems to have expired so I have deleted it.

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I never want to fly offline again!

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… and don’t fly into O’Hare on your first flight. If you can find an airport which is a little quieter and is controlled (look on VATTASTIC) then you can make mistakes without it causing chaos in a busier airport. Or join one of the occasional “first timers” flights where they expect you to be a bit nervous.

The controllers know what it’s like. It’s the same when you start controlling, you worry you’re going to vector a 747 into a mountain or park them in the local MacDonald’s car park.

O’Hare is particularly tricky. Just like Denver it has seemingly endless taxiway designations that still confuses actual pilots who are not based out of there.
And while we’re at giving tips: If anyone ever flies out of O’Hare, mind you that all the standard scenery does not have RW27C. Only the one from FSDT.

Yeah, I learned that back in January.

I moved my base to Midway (KMDW). Much easier taxiways and much less traffic = Much less stress.

First one I ever did was a beginners flight in England from RAF Duxford (famous aircraft museum) to Earls Colne (small strip in Essex). What the planners of this hadn’t noticed was flying this in a straight line takes you right across the ILS for Runway 23 at Stansted Airport. Which was staffed that particular night.

In retrospect I had some sympathy for the annoyed controller, who had a procession of beginners flying in his airspace, and most of us had no clue what was going on.

Had my first Vatsim experience tonight. Flew from Amsterdam (EHAM) to Istanbul (ehhh only 3 runways between bushes and no airport??

Clearence went alright, taxi was so dark i took of from a interseection too early, but the controller didn’t say anything about it.

Got some controllers on the way which went very good. Until one sent me to 122.8 and i didn’t know when to call into an other center. So i got a message from an observer who said which frequency i had to call. After Vienna no more controllers only unicorn. So a pretty smooth flight with not to many issues.

Earlier i started a flight from EHAM and i had to wait 25minutes or so to break into communications for clearence… way to busy for 1 controller

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Well done!

Switching to UNICOM 122.8 is often unavoidable if there are no centers in-between, but once you re-enter controlled airspace you will always get a private message in vPilot chat (or whichever app you’re using) from a controller, asking you to switch to the appropriate frequency. So you don’t have to worry about anything, ATCs will take care of that.

If you want to plan ahead during your flight, you can use an app like VAT-Spy which shows which airspaces are manned in real time. Also shows frequencies, URLs and other useful info, depending on the controller who added it.

There is also the official https://map.vatsim.net/ which shows upcoming events. Or you can plan way ahead of your flight, if you check the ATC calendar events of each region in sites such as https://cts.vatsim.uk/bookings/calendar.php (I don’t think there’s a global place to see all locations at once, I’ve heard of VATBOOK but never used it myself).

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The same goes for other populated areas during busy days (especially on Fridays and Sundays), such as Boston, Moncton and Gander Centers, the Caribbean (San Juan) etc. It’s not always that bad, but you often have to wait more than 5 minutes to get through, especially for clearance.