I can’t figure out if the new, ultra realistic flight model has already been implemented in the sim or not? Can anyone answer me from the developers?
Well, what I see now is not even close to even X-Plane 11! Is there any hope?
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Hi Austin!
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The discussion in this thread may interest you: https://forums.flightsimulator.com/t/modern-flight-model/232844
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Thanks for the tip!
Xplane user here and I have experienced its flight model for, maybe, 3 years. In all honesty, I don’t find the flight model is that bad in FS 2020 and to me at least it is comparable to that in Xplane.
I have many payware ac in Xplane, some to me have great flight models, (e.g. Mad Flight Studio Spectr Sp30, Hotstart TBM, Flight Factor 757) and yet I have other payware ac where the flight models don’t seem great.
Maybe, it’s just me or maybe what is also critical is how the developers interpret the flight model. Maybe some developers get it spot on and maybe others fall short in accurately simulating the real aircraft?
I am not sure that the flight accuracy is always determined by the default flight model. Other things come in to play also.
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May be. But I want to say that when I first tried X-Plane 11 after FSX and Prepar3d, I enjoyed flying the plane. And here, after all the statements of the representatives of Asobo Studio about the unsurpassed accuracy of flight model, I was totally disappointed when I tried this (
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I got the feeling that nothing works as it should. And I don’t understand what alpha testers and developers were doing for six months.
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So you compare 3rd party planes to stock planes and then judge the whole thing? Wait for 3rd party planes and updates, the sim is roughly 2+ weeks old. I personally think it’s anything but disappointing. A lot of potential here.
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So did anyone see those pilots on youtube ( REAL pilots ) commenting the flightmodel ?
I think thats better comparison material then GAMERS saying what is accurate or not ( although they think they are a pilot )
I did have lessons in the 152 … and yes fs2020 is not 100% accurate … but it is not bad ( mostly hate the rudder )
Give it a few months for the bugs to get removed … and specialized companies build great aircraft ( pmdg for example ) .
Then you have for the complete world at your feet with a 737 that is perhaps 70% accurate for € 200 … and a great HOBBY that can keep you busy for hundreds of hour’s with just these 2 products .
( do u know what the actual 100% accurate sim / plane cost ??? )
I have a feeling that people often confuse ‘what I like a flight model to be like’ to ‘realistic flight model’.
None of the simulators have a true 100% realistic flight model. Of course the flying on rails in FSX for a Cessna 152 was not good, but the differences between X-Plane and MSFS are rather about some details being more or less prominent in each of the sims.
Just remember to keep your flight model on Modern in MSFS.
Note: I’m talking about default included airplanes. Comparing 3rd party content is useless.
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So if you are comparing Default MSFS and Xplane with tons of plugins, just unistall MSFS and keep flying on Xplane. Seriously so many unnecessary topics I have seen here about comparing and giving opinions which cannot be even helpful for developers to improve the sim. We all know that flight model needs improvement but unless if you have a solid idea, just don’t post these topics.
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Two years ago, I downloaded the “trial version of X-Plane 11”. I tried and tried to get that to work as good as FSX at the time. I crashed time and time again, because the simulator would not recognize my Joystick and there was not configuration figures I could get to work. The scenery looked superior to FSX at the time, but it never worked for me. I was not then going to pay 70 USD for a “maybe”, when my 19.99 FSX worked just fine.
Now for this FS-2020, I bought all the cookies, and it is much better visually than X-plane. There are still areas which need work, and in a couple of months this will be top flight period. The learning curve on how the systems work, is what I think is throwing a whole bunch of folks. Not much common features between FSX and this one. Some, but the avionics are different, and old tried and true process (flight Planning) is new. My big complaint is I cannot print out my flight plan, and have a paper record, to check against the AP’s and FMC systems so I know they are working correctly. Going to Skyvector (as one example) to create plan, then import into MSFS-2020. Sure it can be done. I was able to successfully get G1000 in the C172 to plan KDZJ to KAHN with VOR as the route, and the AP flew it using GPS. So I figured out that, with again having to watch YT videos which should have been inside sim for training suggested below.
MS-Asobo - Suggestion - Serious Navigation Training Syllabus - Premium Deluxe owners get the first two segments of the Navigation Training Included, i.e., Basic and Intermediate free. The advanced navigation could be a pay for addon. What it should consist of is as follows, but as not real Pilot, I’m sure other suggestions could be implemented.
Basic Nav-Flight tutorials explaining DME/VOR, radials from/to VOR, how to set Nav Radios, and practice flights to and from places to reinforce this training. Handled in C172 or equivalent.
Intermediate: - An add to the basic, how to read sectional charts, plan VOR navigation and create a flight plan, manually putting into any System needed in the smaller planes, with different planes and systems exampled and used for the real world training.
Advanced-This is the real FMC and G100-3000 navigation stuff here. Again, Reading charts, IFR/and inputting the correct information into the navigation systems, which is one part of training and then inputting into CA FMC’s and executing the plan. How to plan and fly IFR/ILS Approach - RNAV training.
As an added bonus, you the developers get to check the systems as part of developing the training and at the same time you can fix bugs that are apparent in the navigation systems/planes at the same time. I was supposed to be able to Beta Test MSFS-2020, but I could never get it to download. SO I volunteer for this testing/training which as a sort of novice, will reinforce and confirm that it hits the intended target audience. Lots of folks here are way more experienced, but to encourage new folks they need some basic training to at least see if they want to continue with extra level of purchase of this sim. Sorry to be long winded.
Or go to a website called ‘YouTube’ and get it all for free
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In general, a miracle did not happen, maybe it’s for the best. Laminar and Lockheed will continue their development and roll out something more interesting. We hurried with their funeral )
Laminar and LM aren’t doing/can’t do what Fs2020 is doing. Fs2020 is the future and there’s nothing the other guys can do about it. The third party market for Fs2020 will be immense and the sim is 2 weeks+ old. Just a matter of time. The flightmodel will be adjusted, just as laminar had to adjust theirs (and many Xplane add-ons are far from accurate actually) As per usual with these opinion threads, wait and see 
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To be honest, I think other flight sims are very much on a backfoot and really need to respond effectively to continue to compete.
It’s no good them resting on their laurels. Or believing that their sim is the only sim that exists for true simmers and everything else is a game for the so called xbox crowd. Given a few optimisation, weather, navigation/autopilot related patches, study level aircraft and helicopters and I see even
hardcore simmers changing allegiance.
Let’s see what happens after a few months.
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Don’t blame the testers.
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J’ai commencé sur FSX pour dévier sur Xplane11, que j’ai pu faire évoluer, tant, sur les addons que sur la cartographie par le jeu d’ajout de cartographie Google ou bing et ainsi améliorer le visuel des aéroport et péripherie, mais voilà, 800 giga de données pour si peu de zones améliorées au final, mais le résultat était beau.
Là je découvre depuis ce we FS 2020, et ma première impression a été niveau visuel, pas si loin du Xplane11 Améloré, pour les zones ciblées, alors que là, c’est du global. Par contre sacrément surpris par la gestion des vents qui donne au pilotage un vrai intérêt au final.
Ce Simulateur a un vrai avenir, mais en l’état, encore beaucoup trop de bug , mais en passe de devenir numéro 1 des simulateurs que j’ai pu essayer.
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I’d like to believe in it very much.
As a pilot and a gamer I have no issue with the flight model. I also don’t have an issue with the flight models in XP11, P3D, DCS or even War Thunder for that matter.
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