Next level racing HF8

Sorry I’m late to reply too, but thought I’d throw in my thoughts too:

It’s fantastic. I love the “feel” from the engine, stall, and g-force. The original foam pad was a bit thin for me, but comfortable for an hour or two. (I’m a big dude, ~250#). I ended up modding it though since I also got their Boeing seat. That made the strength a little muffled since the foam is thicker and a bit harder to feel front to back on the bottom cushion, but the overall “feel” in flight is still there. (And I had to turn up the overall strength from ~mid to almost 100%). The differentiation between the inputs (engine, flap, g-force, etc) is pretty well tweakable through the software. I’m using 1.1.4.3 with much success. The only other downer was that the simshaker software seemed to give better variable sensation within the input modes. Like I really felt the ground roll undulations and “seams in the concrete” but it also did not support all 8 pads. I’m thinking that as the HFS software improves, it should only get better.

I fly everything from ultralights to tube-liners to light GA to an occasional darkstar/F-18. I pretty much haven’t changed the settings between the aircraft types, and I’m really happy still.

@Baracus250 has excellent points too. I do have all the previous beta loads too so if you have issues and he can’t find it, I can get it to you too!

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Thanks to all of you for your kind offers of assistance. Hopefully I’ll be giving this thing a try over the weekend.

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About the delay, it’s more noticable in fast moving sims like racesims if you are really looking for it.
I’m using the HF8 for Simracing and simflying. In the simracing i use a direct drive wheel, which gets most of my attention and the HF8 is a very schweet addon to immerse myself even more into the sims. The slight delay there is, in the vibrating action, would definately destroy purists who’d want instant action/feel, or yeah, those that have been settled into using Buttkickers will never be happy with the HF8, it’s just that good… the buttkicker will definately deliver a bigger faster punch, but you’d need 1 of them on each corner of your sim, to actually feel where everything is coming from, so the HF8 is pretty much the best offering for directional feedback in terms of costs, be it with maybe only half a second of delayed action, which you will barely notice in flightsims anyway.
In terms of comfort: I’m using an obutto revolution simrig and the seat of it is “meh”, i’ve had to raise the seatrails a bit to be more comfy, but still struggled with flightsim because of the bucket digging into my pretty broad shoulders, making me sort of hunch forwards when flying (imagine i have the seatrails all the way back for flying, so i can sit my flightpedals infront of my racing pedals that are bolted onto the front of the pedaltray) For racing, my shoulders are pointed more forwards because of grabbing the wheel and the shifter and the bolsters of the seat dont get in the way much, but for flying, my controls are low and besides me, which doesn’t help… but… yeah, this was the intro, because of the thickness of the HF8, what issit, 4 cm’s or 1,5 inch? the backrest gets filled, which makes my shoulders not touch the bolsters of the seat, so a comfort ++ in my book for the obutto :wink:
The fiddling with the various softwares has shown me that the HF8 has ALOT of potential, as the HF8 default software basically needs to mature. I’ve noticed with simhub*(just for driving sims not flying sims yet) i get a much beefier punch from the tremble motors and also more variations in vibes. With simshaker for aviators, you only use 6 of those motors, but SSfA has a very neat massage function. The default software does it’s job, and i’m pretty sure it’ll evolve over time, as i feel like the full potential of the HF8 isn’t even reached. Of my friends, i was first waiting for them to test one, but eventually i realised that i’d be the one to bite the bullet, and i wanted to hate it, but i dont. Although sometimes the vibrations are enough and i just turn it off, i tend to always turn it on the next time again, but that mainly has to do because in my line of work, driving a sideloader garbage truck, i get enough vibrations through my body the entire day already. As for the buttkicker… yeah, it’s good, but if yer living in a concrete apartment, i wish you good luck not putting the vibrations through the floor under you and to you who have a/the missus sleeping in the other room, she WILL come to you and give you the look. With the HF8, i haven’t gotten the look or gotten into any other mischief other than my own blabbering mouth. It is pretty darn quiet! My missus doens’t even HEAR me race, as for discord conversations, i get the odd skoff in the morning but nothing that’ll make her get out of bed and give me the look.
So, there ya have it.. yeah, i like the HF8, although for me it might be a bit much at times, but it’s more comfortable than i expected it to be, more worth it than i expected it to be, i just hope the NLR team can get their software sorted proper, so new buyers dont have to even ask if the software is ready yet.

Kindest regards,

Steiny

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Please let us know how it goes. I will probably buy one but very interested in your feedback and I will probably wait for v2 of the software to be released/reviewed. :slight_smile:

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Enjoy your new toy! I had a Buttkicker years ago for FSX and it was great but noisy and I ended up selling it after a year or so.

The HF8 is an essential piece of kit imo. It adds another layer. i.e. Haptic + Motion + VR = flight sim heaven.

I sit on a cushion as I find it uncomfortable sitting on the motors. You might have more padding back there :slight_smile:

When the Sim Shaker for Aviators / Beta works, it’s great but mine keeps crashing mid-flight in MSFS with a ‘vibroeffect’ error, so I have gone back to using the latest version of the NLR HFS software and that now works great in MSFS.

Enjoy!

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Thanks! FedEx says I should receive it Monday, so we’ll see how it goes.

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What’s funny is I think I’m “used to” it now, and don’t always feel it. BUT, when it is not on, I feel like something is wrong. :joy: It is a great addition.

(Now gotta figure out a motion platform.) :grin: :grin: :grin:

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OK, I got my racing pad today and set it up. The NLR software worked fine ‘out of the box’ with no real problems setting it up. I’ll tell you though, all the sliders were set to 100% when I turned it on, and I started in cruise mode. WHOA NELLIE!! I thought some of my fillings were going to shake out of my head.

After I turned the settings down a bit, I’d have to say that I’m satisfied with the purchase so far. I haven’t had much time to play with it due to my wife - er, I mean due to being diverted to other pressing tasks, but I’m planning on tweaking it some more in the next few hours.

I’m curious as to whether the SimShaker software has more features that I should try to take advantage of. It seems that when I fly the Bombardier Global 6000, I get some vibrations from the engine, flaps, speed brakes, gear, and suspension, but at least my initial observation is that they are kind of generic in nature. Admittedly, I have not had the opportunity to tweak the settings or try another profile (I downloaded the one above from Baracus and I’ll try that later). I might wander over to SimShaker to see if that is more robust, but I’ll need to read more on this thread about it.

I will say this. My wife travels quite a bit and flies regularly, but I really don’t. I had the settings down to about 25% and had her take a seat as I was in cruise mode in the Bombardier, and she immediately said “Yeah, that feels like sitting in an airplane.” You can’t really beat that, huh?

It’s too early to rate it now because I haven’t yet gotten the settings where I want them, and I’m not sure that I’m going to try SimShaker or not. But my initial impression is that it was worth the purchase. At first I thought it was going to be a bit uncomfortable, but I found myself tweaking values and forgetting that I was sitting on it, so its actually not bad at all.

As a side note, I ordered this about ten days ago give or take. About five days after I ordered it, I got an alert from Amazon telling me that it had arrived. I opened my door and saw that I had a huge box which contained not one, not two, not three, not four, but FIVE racing pads. (We had another FedEx delivery today which was the ONE that I actually ordered). Now my first impression was to have a lottery and let some of you fine gentlemen receive one of these, but if I’d have done that my parents would have dropped a brick from heaven to remind me to do what’s right.

I will say one thing - when you send an email to a company’s customer service to tell them that you have over $1000 of their product in your living room that was sent to you in error, they do tend to respond rather quickly and politely.

I’ll have another go at it tonight and let you know how it works out. I also want to give a special thanks to all the fellow sim pilots who have given such amazing and helpful feedback to everyone on these boards. You guys are tops in my book.

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Thanks for giving your initial feedback :+1:
Great to hear you like it. That is funny about the wrong order. I guess karma owes you a few now haha!

I have tweaked that profile a bit more since I put that file up but it’s essentially the same, just some %’s changed and I think I assigned a few different motors for things. Give that a bash anyway and I’ll send the next version next time I’m on the PC (mid-week).

As for SimShaker (and even the 7 day trial of SimHaptics) by all means try them yourself. Easy enough to get them going and switch between them as you wish (leave all installed and just fire up the app you want to use for the session).

They all have strengths and weaknesses but ultimately I’m happiest with the default software that comes with it overall.

SimShaker does have a bit more “character” for some of the effects and a bit more subtlety — as you said their HFS app does feel a bit generic/basic, but actually every plane feels different (a bit) so do try with other aircraft you fly before you decide — BUT for me it kept randomly stopping to work with SimShaker. The app silently crashed constantly after a few minutes so it was unusable. Might try it again I suppose.

Anyway, enjoy tweaking :wink:

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I’m so happy for you that you are enjoying the vibes of the HF8!
A couple of tips for you from another HF8 user..

  1. Only turn on the HF8 and start the HF8 software AFTER you have loaded your flight and are on the tarmac
  2. Always quit the HF8 software from the taskbar before trying to restart it
  3. Image shows my current settings for GA, YMMV
  4. SimShaker for Aviators is great, when it doesn’t crash, but unfortunately on my system, it randomly crashes several times each flight, which means I only use HFS’ HF8 software now. It has been updated a few times and works well enough (for me) in MSFS. I still use SimShaker for Aviators Beta in DCS and SimShaker Wings in IL-2 (separate purchase) as they don’t crash.

And an alternative..

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Thanks to both of you for sharing your profiles. I know that took a lot of time and effort and we’re the ones who are benefitting from it. I’ll give them a try this afternoon after I finish some more honey do’s. :pleading_face: Talk about bad timing!

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Here is my tweaked profile as promised :wink:

I am going to try @ManicMiner00 ones now :slight_smile:

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Never fails… I get a new toy and I have to leave town for a bit. I’ll test all these other profiles when I get back and provide a little more detailed review on the HF8. See you all later.

I like both of your profiles too :slight_smile:

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OK, I finally got some more time to mess with this. I don’t know if I mentioned that I fly IFR (Longitude and the Bombardier Global 6000 most of the time) so I don’t usually deal with bumpy VFR planes, where clearly this pad would offer a lot more immersion. Because of that, I found myself setting the values quite a bit lower to represent more of a slight vibration.

I still need to work on landing, but here’s my profile so far. Even though I’m not feeling a huge amount of shaking with my settings, I’m convinced that its addition was WELL worth the price. I’ve also found myself sitting in my chair with the pad attached while doing other things, so it’s really not bad at all once you get used to it.

I say that I’m flying IFR now, but hey, this is Tuesday lol. Tomorrow, I could decide to go back to flying VFR and get back into my G36, Grand Caravan, or King Air. If and when I do that, I’m sure I’ll use the profiles you guys sent (thanks again for those).

Happy flying!

Since I couldn’t attach this file with the actual suffix, you should be able to change it from .txt to .backhfs to activate it.

Microsoft Flight Simulator 2020 - My Profile.txt (3.1 KB)

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Has it been 2 to 3 weeks yet? I’ve lost track of time :laughing:

I think the date of the post you are referring to (about post 300) was Aug 2 so that will make it 39 days ago or just over 5 weeks :slightly_smiling_face:

If anyone wants to beta test the new version, go to their discord…

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I tried the 1155 beta version with msfs, xplane and DCS. It works out of the box for all the simulators. Does anybody now if aerofly fs4 also send extern effects?

New beta version available

https://nextlevelracing.com/downloads/HFS_Setup_1-1-5-9-beta.zip