Piloting assistance "Exceeded speed limit under FL100" when higher than FL100

ISSUE DESCRIPTION

Description of the issue: In career mode whenever I go over 250 knots when climbing in the “Passenger transport” mission even if I am higher than 10000 feet the piloting assistance reminder says I have exceeded the maximum speed below 10000 feet

FREQUENCY OF ISSUE

How often does this occur for you (Example: Just once, every time on sim load, intermittently)?

Every flight

REPRODUCTION STEPS

Please list clear steps you took in order to help our test team reproduce the same issue:

  1. Load into passenger transport mission

  2. Climb to over 10000 and the piloting assistance says the message:
    Piloting Assistance
    FL100 speed limit
    Comply with the 250kts speed limit when flying below FL100

YOUR SETTINGS

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ISSUE DESCRIPTION

Description of the issue: FL100 speed limit warning appearing multiple times at inappropriate altitudes.

FREQUENCY OF ISSUE

In this flight, frequently. Across multiple flights I have not seen it frequently.

Please list clear steps you took in order to help our test team reproduce the same issue:

  1. Took off from airport, set AP with autothrottle to climb

  2. Phantom signal from HOTAS dropped landing gear, in the process of sorting that out, the aircraft exceeded 250kn under FL100 (by a small amount, briefly, not enough to get an aviator penalty)

  3. Warning appeared once legitimately

  4. Warning keeps reappearing as the aircraft climbs

YOUR SETTINGS

No mods

MEDIA

Please excuse the washed out colours, snipping tool does not cope with HDR

I wonder if it has to do with your Baro reading not set to STD. Above FL180, you should be at 1013hpa.

Possibly, I missed changing the baro because I was writing the report and hadn’t paused the sim.

Even without switching, it would be way over FL100 though and it happened several times at altitudes (the first screenshot I took was FL150) under FL180 too.

-Disregard-

Not sure how easily you can reproduce the issue but in your EFB flight plan, did have have IFR selected ?. There is a report for a similar issue when VFR is selected: ATC Speed and Altitude violations when flying VFR in Career Mode

Was under IFR - I don’t know how easily it can be replicated but now I’m thinking about it more clearly, I don’t think the bug is actually anything to do with the altitude - this is the clue that the notifications were not valid, but it’s not the root cause. It’s highly unlikely the sim is failing a logic call on altitude, it’s trivial.

I think it’s the notifier getting stuck.

What I think actually has happened is whatever handles the display of these notifications has an intermittent bug where it can display a notification but fail to then cleanse it/mark it displayed in the queue of notifications it has to display.

This is a common software pattern to handle message delivery - dump them into a queue and take them off one by one so as not to overwhelm the user. Issues with accidental multiple deliveries from message queues can be common.

I then suspect this manifests through some sort of reset timer - i.e posting a notification starts a timer to prevent displaying another one too quickly. Because it isn’t removed though, the timer elapses and the message is displayed again, because it’s still there (in normal operation it would be gone, and it would be either the next message or an empty queue).

If you have a chance to test again, when climbing try to go over 250 kts below FL100 for a short time and see if you get again that warning message and how long after having exceeding the speed limit. The warning should be displayed right away after exceeding speed and not to be queue (supposing there is a queue logic) for being displayed minutes after having broken the limitation or once you are over FL100.

I have same issue when flying VIP missions in Cessna Longitude. As soon as I fly above 10 000 feet and the plane start accelerating I’m getting this message.

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Same issue as mine. flying at 12,000 at 255 knots and I’m suddenly dinged for breaking the speed limit below 10,000 feet when I’m actually following the speed rules. Apparently, The logic is broken. Hope the devs fix this.

To add, my baro is set correctly.

I had the same.issue in the Citation Longitude on a VIP mission. It might have been coincidence but I got the penalty at about 10,500 when I flipped my landing lights on in my descent.

A warning (this was one of the piloting assistance notices that have no penalty) or the actual aviator penalty?

Comply with speed limit when flying under 10000ft bug showing here too. PS5 in Career mode VIP mission. In all aircraft I fly Career mode in PC and PS5.

pc & playstation tags added.

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LOL, I then looked at title and it was there so I deleted my post. You must have been really quick. :grinning_face_with_smiling_eyes:

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