Good grief, I thought this was fixed. Flying over Paris looks awful!
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Probably a network thing.
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Blimey I hope so, ive got a 70mb connection and its the middle of the day in the UK.
Iām way more interested in them fixing the performance of it than the look of it. Over Los Angeless it kills frame rate even on a nicely tuned system with 400Mb/s connection. Turn it off and frame rates are stable and fine, turn it on and youāre in the teens or low 20ās with stutters.
Iād far rather have a stable scene with autogen than an unpredictable mess with photogram any day.
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Yes, Iāve found most of the large European cities with PG seem to be the worst, and I get tired of looking at melting buildings that never really render even with a fast Internet connection (maybe itās the servers?). Iāve found smaller/medium cities with PG look better. For example, I think the PG in San Francisco (where I live) is descent.
That said, I fly around Paris all the time and did find the Orbx Paris scenery pack to greatly improve many of the buildings which are handcrafted. Much more so than the default Paris even with the World Update. Huddison (youtuber) just did a recent comparison of London Orbx pack with default showing how it greatly improves that city as well. Although in both cases the handcrafted buildings are still surround by melting buildings. Shame we have to buy these scenery packs to improve cities that were already āimprovedā in World Updates.
Yep that was what I was testing out Wasabi, I just installed the Orbx Paris pack.
Ah well!
Yes even with LOD 400 I still get those ugly PG buildings.
As others have mentioned location plays a big factor.
USA IMO has the best quality PG.
If flying in USA PG On
If flying outside USA PG OFF
I donāt think Australia PG are too bad, Europe/UK are the worst ones
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Iāve been told Jen has borrowed the internet to display at a board meeting so there may be some delays.
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Guys, I think there is some misunderstanding of what photogrammetry can do. PG is always going to look melty up close, that is a limitation of the tech, not the sim.
Youāre literally rebuilding a 3d scene from a photo, and if youāre lucky from some satellite radar altimetry. The data is rough. It quite simply is never going to be otherwise. Buildings will look ok, on the side photographed, and wonky on the other side because that is the computer guessing. Roofs will be weird, etc.
If you want tidy straight buildings, youāre either going to have to hand build your own scenery area, or just use autogen. Photogrammetry canāt do it.
So again, its not the look that everyone should be upset about, its the horrid performance. The look is what the look is based on the available data, its a flight simulator, not a magic wand.
āeditā someone will show up and show a perfect photogrammetry object as an example ā Yeah, you can apply the tech deliberately to a single object and get a great result, but thats not what the sim is doing and its not reasonable. MS canāt hand scan every building in the world. So they have to go with larger scale lower resolution data.
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I agree with your post. However, it would have been technically possible to ādo betterā. The way the product was marketed, they really hyped up how it leverages Azure and AI. In reality, I am not really seeing that.
They could have designed it such that the first pass through a location you get that melted/bombed out look. But as time goes by, AI jobs run to make multiple runs, and parsing from the geo satellite information, and other data sources, and basically "deep fake"ing it.
Absolutely, that couldnāt be don in real time. But it could have been done such the Azure back end continues to flesh out the detail.
In my view, it is a big opportunity that was really missed, and that surprises me given how Azure/AI were touted during pre-release hype.
Iāve been having the same problem ever since sim update 8. Most of my photographic buildings and ground textures are completely messed up. Iām also getting low bandwidth messages, and it keeps kicking me to offline mode for some reason. I verified my internet my is fine, Iāve got a 1.2 GB down connection.
I think youād have to back that up somehow other than just asserting that its possible.
If the data doesnāt exist, then it doesnāt exist. Someday it may, but right now it just doesnāt.
Now, if you know your remark to be true, could you link to something that describes how? Some other company that has done it (meaning at a large scale and not just a single neighborhood, or something like that).
To be clear, Iām not trying to say youāre wrong, Iām just saying that what youāre describing is not something Iāve ever seen or heard of and if it exists Iād genuinely like to see it.
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Plenty of third party developers are producing Photogrammetry of good quality and without morphing, all for free on flightsim.to. The Dutch seem particularly good at it 
granted its on a smaller scale but PG can be good and immersive away from Asoboās effortsā¦
But I think thats really the key. If youāre working with a smaller area you can go in and either adjust the logic, or hand tweak it into shape. When youāre trying to do it with a single catch all logic for the whole world (or at least the areas where the data allows the attempt), then its never going to be any better than the data it is generated from.
Well I wasnāt THAT low in my screenshot!
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No, youāre not low, I agree. And I agree they over promised prior to release, and that is a big part of why people are frustrated. But, in their defense, nobody had really ever attempted what they were doing at such a large scale, so they did have some justification for being very proud of what they did. But they let the expectations get bigger than what they could deliver, that was definitely a mistake.
Just the same, forgetting what people believe it āshouldā look like, and comparing it with the original out of the box of any other simulator, its a huge step up, so beating 'em up on the finer points gets a little old. (my opinion). I still donāt see any other dev really doing better (again, keeping the scale in mind).
3rd parties arenāt trying to cover anywhere near as much ground as MS/Asobo was, so yes, some of them have beat it in small scale.
Part of the problem is the LOD. It loads in if you give it time but the distance is poor as it starts to load out as you move away. Problem is its when you are still quite close that it does this.
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Unfortunaly i got the sam issue in a few citys. I think its a server related issue.
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Yeah, I think thats actually the server being slow and not the LOD, and that is part of what Iām talking about when I say the performance is a problem.
The process of creating 3d objects from 2d photos is a technology that has been worked on by many for years.
Satellite images are a 2d image, and from that photogrammetry tries to interpolate the height and transform it into a rough 3d object.
Cell phones have been taking 3d photos for a few years.
To do it, you really need at least two photos from different angles ā and the more photos you have the better.
There are plenty of technologies that can be used to take photos ā vehicles, aircraft, drones, etc. or even community contributed photos.
All this time that has passed, it would have bene possible to collect photos and build the 3D world from that. Not on the client end, because the compute resources arenāt there to do it in real time.
But the 3d objects would be assembled over time on the back end, by computing the 3d objects from the photos, and stream the end result to the client.
Iāve seen no improvement in photogrammetry since the product launched two years ago, which leads me to believe they made a crude set of algorithm to operate on the satellite photos and from that single photo alone compute a very crude 3d object. Iād call it tessellation on steroids.
I didnāt necessarily expect better at launch, but I did expect over time the photogrammetry would improve.
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