Most likely because there is no single issue but a general disappointment with the architecture that puts them at a crossroad wether they can release products with such bad performance at all.
Face it the DC-6 runs like ****. WASM environment slows down execution. Everything in MSFS is sluggish asf. If you click a button in a menu it takes up to a second to update the interface. It is a horrible architecture that probably parses xml files and bitmaps instead of responsive machine code.
When the pmdg 737 does come out I hope it works like it does in P3D 53. Its really nice to move the cockpit controls like the MCP to another monitor. Also hope the hardware is supported like the FMC I have. The pmdg will be a nice aircraft to see in the msfs world.
We are reaching a point where I wonder if I should stop buying add-on aircraft altogether.
Each Sim Update breaks a multitude of things and causes unexpected behavior in aircraft.
And each time developers need to update their aircraft to make broken features work again.
Every time they have to invest more time to fix things that worked before, because yet another Sim Update pulls the rug from under them, it cuts into their revenue.
Eventually they’ll stop updating their aircraft, because it will no longer be feasible, while each Sim Update keeps breaking the aircraft more and more until it becomes unusable.
Flight Simulator needs to become a solid, dependable plattform ASAP. If it remains a moving target that developers need to intercept on a regular basis, the future for aircraft developers (and their customers) is bleak.
Hmmm, that’s not something I recognize at all. I really enjoy this sim. Just happened to watch a P3D livestream… and CTD. So other programs aren’t so much better. And the visuals of MSFS are just unparalleled.
So, I still hope MS/Asobo will act on the requests of PMDG and deliver what they need.
Well, I agree with you, but we shouldn’t forget that the MSFS DC-6 outsold the all previous versions (FSX, P3D etc) within hours. So developers do want to tap into this market for sure, albeit very frustratingly at the moment.
It’s tricky. You can’t ask the developers to improve the sim, then complain about a moving target. I’m sure everyone would concede the sim is not feature complete, and the only way for that to happen is for development to continue. This is unavoidable.
Agree. But there is probably something about the frequency of the updates, the transparency of what has changed and the quality of the implementation to prevent regressions. I think it’s the complex of all 3 - plus the fact that change is mandatory that feeds the frustration felt by some users, and possibly developers too.
I’m happy to wait for the complex aircraft - I’m having plenty of challenge and enjoyment from the GA aircraft as it is.
Asobo: a company that you’ve just identified as a partner is now publicly saying you are preventing them from finalizing what will undoubtedly be a flagship product for your sim. I really hope this is taken as the wake up call it should be.
Pretty bad update from PMDG today that they’re having to delay releasing their 737
There are some changes and fixes needed on the MSFS platform that without, we cannot release the 737. We do not currently know when to expect those changes/fixes
the release is going to be dependent upon some changes that we have requested from Asobo and we do not currently have any clarity as to when we might expect those changes to be made, if at all.
This doesn’t fill me with much hope and I wonder why Asobo aren’t more focused on core sim functionality rather than a Reno pack no one asked for.
That’s what i already discussed on different forums.
Asobo/Microsoft don’t want others ( 3rd party dev ) in their beloved sim.
I am not sure but if you are a 3rd party dev and you have to patch your addon after every simupdate or is not able to test the product for example on xbox x ( like pmdg DC6 ) then it must be something really systematic here.
The dev need to battle with their products to keep them up to date or with customer support.
Its very frustrating and really bad whats going on here.
MS / Asobo DO want these third party developers in the sim. They announce a lot of them as ‘partners’, some of them have already done paid work for them, and also, MS / Asobo want their share of the sales through the official marketplace, or the money will dry up fairly quickly. PMDG shared a twitch session with the MS / Asobo guys just recently.
The issue is simply the unstable updates, which affect everyone - end users such as us and the third party developers alike. They don’t mean for the buggy updates to happen of course, but the fact that they continue to happen is very troubling.
MSFS 2020 is a great sim. No doubt. But the way the sim is updated or developed needs a different approach by MS/Asobo.
Future new versions of the sim should somehow be introduced to developers before they are published for everyone.
The frustration caused by the way the sim is dependent on streaming and the fact that everyone must update without being asked is the critical issue when it comes to the future success of MSFS2020.
But since I know nothing about programming I can‘t offer a solution for the problem.
I’m not too worried about this. PMDG want money. I doubt their sales on other platforms is high anymore. This is just rhetoric to try and get Asobo to do their job for them.
Since day one of release this has been issue for all plane developers.
The archaic nature of WU’s and SU’s prevent a “firm core product” so development can be stable throughout their plane life development.
Too Expensive from plane developers (1-? man shops) to keep going back and fixing there planes every single time an update release. SU-7 was prime example, several products had to be revamped to accommodate that update so planes would fly again.
Why, spend countless hours (money), resources (physical-network-PC-etc.) moneys on working on this release when all that might just be flushed down the toilet every single update release?
I know of at least one vendor this sim has caused to just quit all development period, just too man hour and resource expensive with no guarantee’s things will settle down.
How many users have just given up on this product already? If the next update brakes my install, I’m quitting as well. What long term effects will that have?, first the new monitor will not be purchased, second the gaming chair I was going to get will not be needed, and long term a newer desktop PC will also not be needed so several thousands of dollars budgeted for that can go back to other things, my purchases will not put any companies in the straights, but, I am not alone, thousands of folks have already quit, and more will become frustrated and leave.
MSFS is supposed to have 10-year development cycle, at current rate, I don’t think so. And more names of known vendors will abandon this and head over to X-Plane 12.
Well they can’t be too overly concerned about catering to developers if this is going to be the 2nd Christmas without so much as 1 amazing Boeing product…let alone the large turboprop market…the boat is just saillllinggg away.
I agree. Both parties have so much at stake here that they’re bound to find each other, eventually.
Clearly, PDMG are frustrated by something right now, but having watched them together in the last Q&A, I’m confident that they’ll get it sorted out in everybody’s best interest.
i see you dont get it really, you probably are not a pdmg customer, and thsu is exactly
a big real issue, too many casual playing people, who dont care about simulation.
ah well i bet the xplane people are laffing really hard now.