Soooooo i thought we would be flooded with interesting vids and tutorials ?
Sofar for boring blab blah vids from PMDG … and a bunch of shouting youtubers …
I would finally like to see some indept tutorials … to keep me busy for MoNTHS waiting on the -800
“Shouting youtubers?” So far, I’ve seen videos from:
“Early Adopter”? So, unfinished then. Is that OK if PMDG does it? Every other developer who’s done it has been flamed on this site…
The only other two ‘early access’ planes that come to me off the top of my head are the helicopter H145 and Milviz porter both of which seem to be pretty well received. Flamed by who? People who don’t care about the plane? Who cares? Such a weird thing to be upset over. At least fly the plane first then be upset. The plane will speak for itself.
It’s worth reading their post to see what they mean by “early adopter.” They’re not referring to an incomplete product. They’re referring to a product that will have features added later - so, similar to the Hype H145 adn the Milviz Porter, as @StewartLapp points out.
Being Careful With Terminology:
I want to be careful here that nobody confuses this discussion with “Early Access.” Early Access generally is given to products that are not feature complete, or still considered to be early enough in development that users usually expect some level of limitation and inconvenience when attempting to use them. We don’t anticipate that being the case with the 737, as it is already fully featured and suited to accomplish it’s main goals well and with polish. We are using this period to expand it beyond the initial capabilities delivered, simply because we know that all of our development resources will be dedicated to the product during this particular period.“Early Access” periods also tend to be offered at steep discounts, reflecting the incomplete nature of the product. That is also not the case here- and I want to be very clear about that. Development, Early Adopter, Continued Maintenance, End of Life and Removed will be the descriptors used to define how much development attention an product at PMDG is getting at any given time.
I might have used a different term than “early access” to avoid this kind of confusion. But I think you may be anticipating problems that don’t in fact turn up.
“Early Adopter” is nothing more than the usual Randazzo smoke and mirrors, as an excuse for charging full price for an unfinished product - why else would it be getting “continued maintenance” - in an attempt to avoid the universal condemnation which has followed most of Aeroplane Heaven’s releases, along with NextGen and Aerosoft. It couldn’t possibly happen to PMDG?
Lolwut? Go watch some of those long streams from Fabio or Chewy, or even British Avgeek’s shorter video. Nothing you state makes sense as much other than salty griping. The streamers have stated clearly what’s not yet done (some sounds, interior cabin modeling, WX radar, and automagic Simbrief integration are the big ones) and what’s coming during the next couple months (better/nicer cabin modeling from their end, and if Asobo gets their act together, Simbrief integration and WX radar, plus a tablet EFB to replace using the FMC to do stuff). Sounds will be done by release. No mystery, no smoke, no mirrors,
People make so much out of nothing on this forum sometimes.
So PMDG can get away with it then? Knowing this website, I seriously doubt it.
Randazzo and the products his company makes are well respected by the flightsim community in general. He’s not one to use ‘smoke and mirrors’ he’s very much one to tell you exactly how things are. You should read his posts and watch his videos to educate yourself before spewing meaningless vitriol. Perhaps you are part of the problem you speak of with ‘this website’. Although it’s a public forum on the internet so that point also comes across as hyperbole.
Our Developer Who Art In Heaven is releasing an early access product, no matter what they try to call it, and it’s going to get flamed for being full price. Brace for impact.
Ah, got it. Randazzo = evil. Thanks for clarifying. We’ll have to factor that in, I guess.
don’t buy it until you deem it finished then
Oh, it’s finished all right…
I want to see or I cant believe FlightDesck2Sim has not been given a copy of this to stream?
OK, then don’t buy it unless you deem the state of the aircraft as meeting with your expectations of what you think a simulation of a 737-700 should be.
At the end of the day, nobody is forcing you to buy it.
Having watched a few Twitch/Youtube stream videos, I’m probably going to give it a go, pending a sensible price, of course.
There’s the rub - that’s the very issue which will cause all the complaints, as it has with other releases from respected developers of long standing, none of which counts for anything to the users of this website.
I wonder why simbrief integration is giving them so much difficulty? Plenty of add on planes have no problems doing that or having an EFB.
It’s no mystery - their planes are coded in C++. MS/Asobo do not give access to the internet to C++ compiled code. Planes (and mods) that run in Javascript are not restricted from internet access by Microsoft.
There’s still a way to use SImbrief - it just requires you to download the flight plan, then load into the FMC from a local folder on your PC rather than automatically.
Okay, enough with the salty griping about imagined smoke and fantasy mirrors. Here’s another cool channel I just discovered: an IRL 737 pilot who’s a PMDG beta tester. Three videos so far and counting, including some off-nominal stuff like simulating a rapid decompression, descent and landing at an alternate airport.
Same, he was not apart of the beta team but he did asked to showcase the aircraft before the release and has not heard back from them which is real shame would’ve been great to hear feedback from a real 737 pilot