No, 2024-native PMDG products don’t currently leverage several 2024-native features such as visible passengers, visible payload, walkaround inspection, walkaround objects, integration with the new EFB, or Career mode. I would be surprised if any of those are in their plans for the future, but it would be a welcome surprise for sure.
So you mean, on xbox for us, if we put in a full plane in the in game efb, or through the tablet of the plane itself, we won’t be able to actually load them in? ( and be visible)
Correct, at least as far as I have tested.
wow, Zadma, that’s quite something if you ask me. So people pay f.e. 80 euros for a 777 plane and then are not able to see the passengers inside.
I know this is a sidestep but people complain about liveries a lot, and don’t get me wrong, I do get that, but if they can’t see passengers they don’t complain?
I guess these are the downsides on xbox but still, I think its really strange that this isn’t something that is being fixed
btw , I just saw a post of July 2025 where was announced that the 200LR was on the site to buy , and marketplace follows soon. We now 7 months further and still no 200LR in the marketplace. maybe console players are not really a priority as far as costumer satisfaction
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just want to react to your last sentence, and maybe im not satisfied easy, but being in plans or not or being a surprise ,what suggests pmdg havent talked about this, is really disgusting. Letting people pay 80 euros for a plane ( 60 in case of the 200LR if it ever comes ) and then have the nerves to say how incredible it is but people on xbox, you can’t see any passengers or liveries , but we do charge you the full amount same as pc who does have access to to those features….
sorry people, I sometimes get carried away but if I understand all correct, then this really isn’t so great from the almighty PMDG ( where a cup of coffee costs 30 dollar )
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From what I’ve seen, they’ve regarded the walkaround features as “gamey” and indicated no interest. As far as Career mode, they’ve said they’re looking into it, more or less, (which would include visible passengers), but they also usually add in something about it not being a high priority for their users, which feels like their way of saying “but we’re not actually going to do it.” I haven’t heard them comment directly on any of the other features that are missing, but I just wouldn’t expect much - they’re the best at what they do in this market, and that’s bringing in the sales regardless.
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The PMDG aircraft are in depth study level airliners with all flight deck systems accurately modelled and with highly realistic feel8ng flight models. That’s why most of us fly them and spend a lot of our time flying them.
They are worth every penny in my opinion - and PMDG do a fantastic job of supporting us as paying customers.
For Xbox users they have done a phenomenal job - as they value us as a customer base and have gone out of their way to bring very complex systems heavy aircraft to Xbox and to optimise the aircraft so we can use them! So you definitely do not speak for me.
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Absolutely every word of this is true and why I still purchase and regularly use these products. None of that, however, precludes someone from being disappointed when features that other developers manage to include are not part of the product in question.
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doesnt highly realistic also means that you can SEE passengers in a PASSENGERplane?
to me it does, I understand your view , you are more in depth of the systems etc and that’s cool, for me , I like to know what its for and how to operate it, but for me , same as for the livery people, I also want the feeling to be more real, and that include a nice paint job and seeing passengers sitting in their chairs.
Don’t forget also that on Xbox we have to make a lot of trade offs - so we have to prioritise the things that matter most to us when setting up a flight. For me it is the systems and smoothness of the flight model that matter the most, so you are quite right that viewing passengers doesn’t interest me - and I regard liveries are a “nice to have” extra.
Just had an excellent 1.42 flight in the B737-800 EGLL-LOWW. A very immersive experience culminating in an early evening approach to RW34 at LOWW. Performance was very close to the Simbrief flight plan I produced before the flight… it was a very smooth flight from start to finish and the visuals were very acceptable too. To get to this in MSFS2024 on Xbox from where we were 12 months ago, wow.
so maybe we won’t be disappointed when the new xbox comes out in 2027 and the full plane of passengers will be visible together with the smoothness you experienced in your flight 
You don’t need animated passengers for career mode the inibuilds A330 or A310 doesn’t have them on Xbox.
PMDG need to get with the program like most other devs, give us liveries and career mode compatibility in the future, the pre flight walk around stuff can’t be hard either. It’s chocks, covers and a walk around. I don’t need the walk around personally, but everyone else is doing it. It would be a real loss if PMDG is just a free flight merchant, because then it would be no different to FSX and 2020. 2024 has new snacks at the table everyone should be serving them
Myself have no urgency to purchase PMDG without liveries or career mode. The more planes in career mode the easier it is to let go of others. If the heavy cert drops and Inibuilds 350, A340 and upcoming A380 come to career mode we are all good
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They’re required for Career per the SDK as outlined here: Commercial Flights And Passengers
There are a few reasons why you might not be seeing passengers on those two aircraft on Xbox, but that doesn’t change the requirements.
That’s fine so clearly a requirement but not a visual requirement. And it’s been done by inibuilds, so no reason anyone else can’t.
Are you on Series S or Series X by the way? Also I think it’s entirely possible that some first party aircraft may skirt some of the requirements of Career, but in haven’t proven that yet.
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Series X
There are passengers on the smaller aircraft but not the quasi heavies A330 and A310
I’ll check on PC - it’s either a limitation of the hard locked “medium” settings on Xbox or it’s like I suspect and some first party aircraft are above the rules of Career mode.
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Not to me, it isn’t. I think there is a role for both free flight and career modes of operation in the sim. I’m a free flighter and won’t even bother myself with career mode - I’ve racked up more than 2500 flight hours in the sims and am still learning how to fly the PMDG 737, 777-200ER and the Aerosoft CRJ. These airplanes (and there are a lot more too from other devs) take a lot of learning and practice (a week or two away from them degrades your performance) and every flight in them is different -to help you need to concentrate on having a repeatable workflow to avoid making mistakes- that is realism and systems depth for you..
I think it’s all about purchasing the right planes that work for your needs and priorities rather than criticising them if they don’t as it’s impossible for every product to meet everyone’s needs. For me, at least, I’m very happy that the PMDG team concentrate on giving us an exceptionally realistic flight deck experience rather than using up valuable development hours to generate passenger graphics. That’s one of the reasons I save up and purchase their products..
Edit: to illustrate how difficult it is to achieve flight deck realism and Cabin grsphics/operations on Xbox, whilst achieving an acceptable level of performance take the Inibuilds a350 - on Xbox the A350 cabin is not included as it affects the performance drastically. So the trade offs are apparent - and actually as an ex-PC owner, I can tell you that unless you have the deepest pockets that can buy you a top end machine, you still have to make those trade offs to get good performance ( on PC of course we could tweak many more parameters than we can on Xbox, which - I guess - makes it a significantly harder job for devs to get us a product that performs well on Xbox as well as PC) I am still surprised (in a good way) every time I fly it that the B737-800 runs so well on Xbox in MSFS2024…
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hey guys! im re-asking this question: im saving up for the 777F, but the more i save the more i got concerned, is it even worth to buy it in an xbox series s, with no flight sim setup? i only have an xbox series s hooked up to a TV, so idk if its worth
I have not tried the 777F on Series S (I own the ‘X’), but we sometimes take my gf’s ‘S’ when we go on vacation and judging by its performance with 737 and A320v2, I would say it is not worth it. It was almost impossible to start a flight with those on S with very frequent CTDs, stutters etc. 
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