Progress in Bush Trips not recorded in SU4 Beta?

Sim Update 4 Beta | MSFS 2024 User Interface & Activities
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ISSUE DESCRIPTION

Description of the issue: I have a number of Bush Trips in MSFS 2024, some from the official marketplace and some in the Community Folder. Previous progress in all of these trips has now been lost in SU4 beta. In addition, when I try one of the Bush Trips available in the 2024 Marketplace like Via Francigena or the Tour of Greece, progress in these trips is also not recorded in SU4 beta. If I complete leg 1, go back to the main menu and then back into the bush trip, the completion of Leg 1 is not recorded, and the Trip has reverted to the start.

FREQUENCY OF ISSUE

How often does this occur for you (Example: Just once, every time on sim load, intermittently)? Constant. All previous and current Bush Trip progress is lost and no longer recorded.

REPRODUCTION STEPS

Please list clear steps you took in order to help our test team reproduce the same issue:

  1. Go into one of the 2024 Marketplace Bush Trips and complete Leg 1.

  2. Go back to the main menu or exit MSFS 2024.

  3. Go back into the same Bush Trip, and all progress is lost.

YOUR SETTINGS

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What peripherals are you using: VKB Gunfighter IV, S-TECS Max, T-Rudder V

[PC Only] Are you using Developer Mode or have you made any changes to it? No

[PC Only] What GPU (Graphics Card) do you use? RTX 4090

[PC Only] What other relevant PC specs can you share? Intel 13900 KS S, 64GB Ram, 2TB m2 SSD

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Is no one else really seeing this, or having this issue?

I’m aware that progress in Career mode is affected by SU4 beta, is progress in Bush Trips similarly affected? It wasn’t clear from the release notes, as far as I can tell.

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I thought there weren’t Bush Trips in 2024 (yet)?

Not tried myself but that’s what I’ve read I’m sure… ?

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Hi Baracus,

There are a few Bush Trips in the 2024 marketplace, which show up in ‘Custom Activities’ when purchased. At the moment, it is nowhere near as good for this type of activity as 2020 was, where we had a whole huge section for the official Bush Trips.

You can get trips from third parties and add them to the 2024 Community folder so they also show up in Custom Activities, just like they did in 2020. There aren’t many trips on flightsim.to created for 2020 that are dedicated to & tested to work in 2024, although many of them do.

Once I had completed all the official bush trips in 2020, I started downloading 3rd party trips from .to, and enjoyed the World Sightseeing Tour, Pt 1 of which here: World Sightseeing Tour - Bush Trips Part 1 - North America (West) for Microsoft Flight Simulator | MSFS. It’s still a work in progress, but I’ve flown them all in 2020 and found that all 4 parts mostly work as expected in 2024 too. Getting the Navlog notes to work is not as well-integrated as with 2020, but you can at least open the file and show it on a separate screen to scroll through as you fly the route.

Logging progress in these trips worked and was recorded in 24 exactly as it did in 2020, so you could finish a leg, shut down and return to the next leg the next time MSFS was fired up, but that has disappeared with SU4 beta, and previous progress in all my Bush Trips both official and 3rd party was lost completely. Flying a trip again from the start to the end of leg 1, then going back later to attempt leg 2 in any of these trips shows that your completion of leg 1 is no longer recorded, rendering them all a bit useless.

This is a shame, because the performance boost from SU4 on my PC and the return of a lot of instrument mappings that had disappeared in SU2 & SU3 was very welcome, but if I can’t log progress and move on to the next leg there’s just no point.

For the moment I have gone back to 2020, and I’m enjoying the official Bush Trips that were added since I largely stopped using the older sim earlier this year. I hope they can get everything pulled together to work in the new version because the scenery, lighting and flight physics are noticeably better (for me at least) in 2024. It’s sometimes tantalisingly close, but very frustrating when the last 3 major updates have also introduced significant problems seemed to go backwards.

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This is quite interesting to me for a few reasons.

I actually had no idea that any of the 2020 bush trip functionality could be brought into 2024 at all.

I just started simming this year with 2024 and after getting comfortable I quickly found that bush trips were what I wanted to do. But with none of those features brought forward I have essentially been doing them ‘by hand’.

I got every .pln file from msfsbushnavlog.com and I load them one at a time into the EFB in free flight. I then follow along with the text hosted on that website on a second screen. When I’m done flying, I note which leg I’m on, how much fuel I have etc. and then set all that back up when I want to continue.

As to this specific case, I wonder if it’s at all related to the item ‘added mission template for Bush Trips’ present in the first Beta release patch notes? It seems they are moving towards natively hosting bush trips, but might have broken community activities in the process. Maybe? Could be a coincidence.

I was hoping for some movement on this, as while I’m really enjoying the trips so far (I’ve done about 5), I notice there are huge geographical gaps - no Africa for example - and I was under the impression community bush trips didn’t work in 2024 at all.

Anyway here’s hoping native support arrived soon to solve your problem and mine at the same time.

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Hi @scruffyphal, good to see someone else who appreciates these trips.

There are a few excursions labelled as Bush Trips in the 2024 marketplace, but they’re nowhere near as good as we had in MSFS 2020. In the older sim I would pop out the Navlog and drag it onto a second screen so I could follow the notes along the route, to get the same effect as you describe with the .pln files in 2024. In the new sim I either do the same as you, or in some cases open the .pln file included in the trip on my second screen if they are available, but it’s not as easy and intuitive as in 2020.

While we can’t (as far as I know) bring the many excellent MS/Asobo Bush Trips from 2020 into the new sim, you will find that a lot of the trips available on flightsim.to will work in the new sim if you put them in the 2024 Community folder. The 4 parts of the world sightseeing tour (I linked to Pt. 1 above) certainly work, although there are a few cases where the terrain or airstrip location in 2024 doesn’t quite match up to how the trip was created in 2020, and you might end up unable to complete a few sections. It’s not a major issue since there are currently 64 legs to the trip in all, most taking around 20 - 30 hours to fly.

I’m sure you’re right, and the addition of the Bush Trip template into SU4 is in preparation for native bush trips being available in 2024. I’m looking forward very much to those being available, it’s a much more interesting kind of flying for me vs cruising a tubeliner at FL 360.

I agree there’s not a great geographical range of trips with many being in Europe or the US, but this one covers southern africa and was very good to fly in 2020: South Africa Bushtrip for Microsoft Flight Simulator | MSFS

It probably won’t work in 2024 if you try and use the recommended additional 3rd party landmarks and scenery, but the basic trip and flightplan might be OK. This one looks like it works in 2024: Africa Cargo 1 for Microsoft Flight Simulator | MSFS, although it’s more of a cargo mission than a sightseeing trip and you need to add a specific aircraft and some landmarks.

There are some other great free trips on there that cover slightly more varied areas like NZ, Australia, Thailand, Norway, PNG, Asia and the Caribbean. I’ve flown a lot of them in 2020 and you could always drag them into the 2024 Community folder and just give them a try.

Very much with you in hoping that native support and decent bush trips are coming to 2024 soon!

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I do hope they come soon!

But I’m not sure I’d count it as a bug since Jorg said they don’t work properly, didn’t he?

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I had tested 3rd party bush trips when 2024 first released. Almost all of them failed because the 2020 version of the plane was referenced, which was not loaded since I had 2024 versions of them. That may have changed. Or maybe you have to load both the 2020 and 2024 versions of planes. I don’t know.

The Nav Log was moved into the EFB, but bush trips don’t automatically go to the Nav Log section of the EFB. It doesn’t sound like that part is implemented yet.

The loading screen for a bush trip doesn’t show the show the start location or the end location like 2020 does (you do have the airport, but you don’t have the display that this trip is say Chicago to Los Angeles like 2020 had on the load screen. It also doesn’t have total trip time. You can only see information on the current leg, you can’t see information on legs you haven’t done yet. There doesn’t appear to be an option to restart the leg or restart the trip like 2020.

I’ve tried putting in bug reports for the functionality that IS in 2024 currently to support bush trips, but all reports got rejected, the reason being that the full release of 2024 bush trips is not in the release. So there is no support available.

Keep in mind, with some bush trips, the way point on your plan may not be necessarily the airport you are to land at for the leg. Without the Nav Log, its easy to follow just the flight plan and not realize two way points back the airport you were suppose to land at was somewhere around there. Without the Nav Log, you really are flying kind of blind in terms of objectives.

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That’s a shame that so much supportive infrastructure is missing. That makes me even more keen for native support.

I have had very few problems running these trips from msfsbushnavlog.com in free flight though. All the trips have each leg as a separate file so you won’t fly past your landing spot. The text logs are all up on the site too so it’s very easy to follow along on a second screen.

I still have dozens of those ones to get through so fingers crossed I won’t need to kludge in community ones until the support is there.

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There are some excellent trips in there, great to see them put together and accessible.

I think I have flown the majority of the trips from 2020, and a few of the ones from other sites. The 2020 French trip, from the Pyrenees to the Alps is excellent although very challenging in a few places - took me several attempts to nail the really difficult landings, although looking up real-life attempts from YT definitely helped.

It’s not in the site linked, but the Columbia river bush trip could well be my favourite of them all so far - the scale of the landscape as you fly relatively low to the water is just stunning. You can get it from .to here: Columbia River for Microsoft Flight Simulator | MSFS

I got it to work acceptably in 2024 with the standard G1000 172, but changing aircraft to my favoured DA62 was problematic, and you’ll need to open the flightbook separately, but it’s just awesome to fly.

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