PS5 - Random control inputs in SU6

OP, can you include 'use Thrustmaster Hotas 4 or 5’in ‘Reproduction Steps’?

Since some player who are not using hotas are saying otherwise, so it seems necessary to include ‘Hotas’ in repro step.

Since our only hotas is a mess, i thought less mechanical is safer, obviously glider!!!

What can go wrong with glider? It’s Just me and air~

Mmm… this is too much air! should’ve waited for a fix…

Same issues here. I’m using a Hotus 4. I’m getting involuntary external to cockpit camera switches . When it switches, the parking brake sets, the speed brakes deploy, and if I have AT on, it disconnects.

Same problem. He does it at least two/three times every time I fly. Unplayable game and no one from the Microsoft team says anything

This needs bug logging. Unbinded and rebinded all controls on the hotas 4 again. Checked a million times that there was no double bindings and still having the same issues. Cruising at 24,000 for a short flight and once again parking brake sets on its own and deploys the landing gear. Alarms galore. Everything was fine on the hotas front in SU5.1

SU6 or the thrustmaster update has killed this game using the hotas 4

https://forums.flightsimulator.com/t/pc-24-g2-view-randomly-changes-to-outside-cockpit-view/772783?u=neededrelic6316

For one final attempt, I’ve unplugged and plugged back in the hotas and used the default hotas 4 profile that comes as standard on the game and the results are the same if not worse.

Camera now goes into external view for no apparent reason, spoilers deployed and parking brake turns on. Same in the air as on the ground.

I give up playing this game now until there is a fix. Every big update makes the game unplayable on PS5 until they release a fix months later. The memory issue was only fixed in SU5.1 and now this.

Same problems here, started in SU6 beta and now in SU6 since release.

My impression is that the hotas controller sends out a burst of inputs randomly. Since it was working in SU5 just fine I would think it’s an SDK issue(?). For me this is usually the R1, L1, R2, L2, circle, square and their combinations (possibly more). Whatever is bound to the these buttons will get triggered. With the default binding this will set the parking brake, toggle the spoilers/airbrake, toggle the landing gears and toggle the external cameras.

I removed all bindings from these buttons or added additional ’function’ buttons that don’t seem to be triggered at the same time.

It’s a workaround but I lost a great amount of inputs from my hotas. Not to mention to remember the new bindings and rework the muscle memory is a real pain. I really hope this gets addressed.

PS5 base, Hotas4, dualsense and mouse

Exact same problem on PS5 with HOTAS 4. Manifests as Parking Brakes toggled on during cruise alongside spoilers/speedbrakes. Has happened with several jets, all at random times. Checked keybindings, switched USB ports for the HOTAS, nothing helps as a workaround. Was happening in the beta for me and I remember folks bringing it up, now happening in the released version of SU 6. I upvoted this issue. This is 100% a bug that needs addressing soon

Hi,

Using base PS5 model, HOTAS 5 running in HOTAS 4 mode.

Getting frequent random inputs when keyboard also connected, much less frequent when keyboard is not connected.

The same issue here. The only think we can do until they fix this problem is disconnect the Hotas once the plane is in the air and reconnect it once we are reaching the target runway.

PS5 / SU6 – T.Flight HOTAS 4 causing random Pause, parking brake and airbrake inputs

Summary

Since Sim Update 6 on PS5, my Thrustmaster T.Flight HOTAS 4 appears to cause random/phantom control inputs during flight.

The most serious occurrence is that the actual MSFS Pause menu opens unexpectedly, while at the same time the parking brake and airbrake/speedbrake can deploy without any deliberate input.

Testing and reproduction

I have tested this systematically using the Just Flight Hawk T1.

Test 1 – HOTAS connected

Setup: PS5, MSFS 2024, Sim Update 6, Just Flight Hawk T1

  • T.Flight HOTAS 4 as primary controller, DualSense connected, Keyboard connected, Mouse connected

Result:

  • Within approximately 5 minutes, the actual Pause menu opened unexpectedly.

  • At the same time, the airbrake and parking brake were activated.

  • Later, after unpausing, the airbrake subsequently deployed again without deliberate input.

  • The aircraft eventually became uncontrollable at low level and crashed.

Test 2 – DualSense switched off

I repeated the same flight and route with the DualSense completely switched off.

The HOTAS 4 remained connected.

Result:

  • The Pause menu opened unexpectedly twice.

  • The parking brake and airbrake were again activated without deliberate input.

  • Therefore the DualSense does not appear to be responsible.

Test 3 – HOTAS completely disconnected

I then flew approximately 211 miles / 30 minutes in the same Hawk T1 using the DualSense, with the HOTAS completely disconnected.

Result:

  • No unexpected Pause events.

  • No spontaneous parking-brake activation.

  • No spontaneous airbrake/speedbrake deployment.

  • The flight was otherwise normal.

This strongly suggests that the presence of the HOTAS 4 is the trigger.

Additional HOTAS/SDK symptoms

The HOTAS binding interface also appears abnormal after SU6.

For example, when I move the POV hat:

  • POV Up is detected as both POV UP and UP

  • POV Down is detected as both POV DOWN and DOWN

  • POV Left is detected as both POV LEFT and LEFT

  • POV Right is detected as both POV RIGHT and RIGHT

In addition, many labels are missing from the left-hand side of the control-binding interface, and there is no obvious POV category in the menu.

Conclusion

The A/B testing strongly suggests a PS5/SU6 T.Flight HOTAS 4 input/SDK integration problem, rather than a faulty aircraft or a DualSense issue.

Please investigate the HOTAS 4 input handling/SDK integration introduced or changed in SU6, particularly the apparent generation of unintended control events.

Same issue here. Camera now goes into external view for no apparent reason, spoilers deployed and parking brake turns on. I was playing the beta until this started happening in the beta as well. I thought they would fix this before it went final but obviuosly they didn’t. No neither the beta nor the final are playable for me. :frowning: I wish I could downgrade the one or the other so I have software I can use. But now the only solution is to fly airliners and physically plug-out the Hotas 5 during longer AP-phases when I’m not near the PS to react immediately. Highly highly annoying.

Siraminis’ workaround worked for me. It’s very annoying, but if you change all of your single-button bindings to a combo, the game doesn’t trigger any ghost inputs anymore. Not ideal, but will do until they fix it. I have made everything a combo with the R2 button (which is the one at the top of the rear of the throttle, as your hand is always resting on that anyway).

Hope a fix is coming soon. The Thrustmaster SDK is clearly in bad shape. I’m a bit disappointed they haven’t released a hotfix, TBH, as a lot of PS5 players will be experiencing this due to a lack of choice.

Anyway, thanks, Siraminis!

Add another to the pile. Camera switches to external view (usually at the worst possible time!) and the parking brake toggles to ON. Haven’t tried on heavy jets but can confirm on C208 and Cirrus Vision.

I won’t say completely broken but certainly needs a hotfix.

PDK

I have “camera upper view” binded on hotas on R1+R3, so its a combo and it still does ghostly inputs together with parking brake and full throttle

Yes I do still get camera inputs, that is a fair comment. I haven’t had the parking brake or gears activate yet though, since removing the single button binds. I have only played for a few hours, so maybe I got lucky. I don’t know. Needs more people to test I guess. Anyway let’s hope it’s fixed properly soon.

They’ve released sim update 6.1 for PS5 and thought this issue would be sorted but no. Still the same so we keep waiting. How is this only feedback logged and not bug logged? They can see so many people on this thread experiencing the same issue!

Yup same here after 6.1 update. Spoilers, flaps up a notch on short final will really test reflexes :skull:

Me too,

With 6.1, parking brakes activated at runway, external view change + +

Why this can’t be fixed?, We are having a ghost input from Hotas!

Using: ps5 + dual sense + keyboard + TM hotas4