I wouldn’t say it matters now. What’s done is done. The important thing now is how fast will the game get to a state it should have been at launch.
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Would respectfully disagree but thats not a problem. My counter argument would be that once that becomes normalized it becomes normalized. I see you here quite a lot so really appreciate you and don’t want to get into flaming stuff with you 
Hmmm, everybody in corporate America, in global corporate conglomerates, has a “boss” who they report to, even if a launch decision is theirs to take. They may be the ceo of their own unit, but that unit is undoubtably accountable to the unit(s) above and laterally. There are very real limits to how much resources will go into any new product launch, and at the end of the timeline it is not inconceivable that a tough decision has to be made or the product scrapped, even at this level of investment. When it is time for the larger entity to move on to the next big thing, it is go time or take the hit and cancel the launch. There is no product development timeline that has unlimited resources to postpone launches indefinitely until everything is fixed for end users. They must go big or go home; that’s microeconomic reality of things on this scale of investment. They probably had to launch, or get out of the way and free up resouces for some other new gaming product that has nothing to do with flight sim.
The problem is that the whole releasing unfinished games is already normalized. It’s hard to find a new release that isn’t full of issues.
I get your point. It would be nice to know who caused all of this. But the state of the game would stay the same.
I doubt we would ever know who was really at fault. It would probably be a scapegoat.
Considering we’re on the same side it wouldn’t get to heated
But that’s still not an excuse for the dishonesty. The companies still have to respect the end user. Their whole existence is based on us spending money on their products.
All this did was tank their reputation. Their actions after launch aren’t helping it either.
I really doubt the higher ups are that shortsighted to not see what damage this will/has done in the long run.
Honesty would have gone a long way.
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You seem to forget that you bought a product and not a part of Microsoft. These answers are none of our business as costumers. Jörg and colleagues owe us nothing but a good product. Which it is, in my opinion, although not perfect. 
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Agree, but if there were a product owner (which I guess in corporate reality J is, despite the fact to many people he’s seems to be at the C level) with integrity they could have pitched it to the userbase as MS Flight or something like that rather than come out with the ‘this is the greatest flight simulator ever created’.
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hey,
I hope there will be betas for SU like for fs2020 
“I am not part of MS”, Agree. “Jörg and colleagues owe us nothing but a good product”. Agree. “Which it is, in my opinion, although not perfect”. Disagree, as a digital product, I know it’s not clear what is a good or bad product, but kinda expect at some point this will be tested legally.
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Again, agreed. But I would posit that the bigger problem is that releasing unfinished software, flight sim, browser, erm, crm according to the try fast, fail fast approach has, quickly failed in terms of end user satisfaction. 2024 just solidified my opinion
It also depends on what you play. In free flight there isn’t that much wrong. But career mode is bad. Missions aren’t great. 2 missing certifications. No heavy cargo missions. There’s a firefighting heli in the game that doesn’t work which was actually in the trailer and no news about if/when it will be available. Countless bugs.
There are also 2 activities missing which atleast one was in the trailer.
So as I said it all depends how you play.
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Yes, no one expect a perfect product. But in general, as a business owner, you have to be ready for complaints and do your best to produce a product that is as flawless as it can be. We all have seen how companies go under simply because people don’t trust them. I mean look at Boeing as an example, one of the most reputable companies in the world, if not the one and only, screwed their reputation just because they wanted to get the product out and keep their shareholders happy! I think Asobo/MSFS really over promised and underdelivered, there is a reason they still don’t have a gut to open the polls for people to vote on the product. Don’t get me wrong, I love the Sim and it’s my biggest hobby in life. I am very appreciative of what they do, but when they deliver something that is far far from being what was promised and relatively flawless, then they should expect …
By the way, most people who complain is because they love the sim and are simply disappointed. I don’t think they want to hurt Asobo/MSFT, they simply care a lot for it and things get emotional at times…
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If this happened to my company I would want.
- Answers.
- Retro’s happening behind the scenes with Business.
- A reset, a public statement from those really accountable, to the end users.
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all things from a bygone era my friend
today, its “why dont we all try to stay positive”
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If you are writing code, where is the satisfaction until you know it works in the majority of situations. You can never code for every case, but you can do better than this here in 2024.
i feel you
i write a few things here and there, nothing like this though, mostly js scripts, but i think its relevant, because it is a mindset
i dont want my script to fail, i want it to work at the first try, so, i take steps to ensure that outcome, and, it gives me great satisfaction to hear that my script worked right away and as designed
but things are different now
Jorg and co actually owe us what they said they’d give us in exchange for the money we give them. They didn’t, they omitted features and delivered a product that doesn’t work as advertised, normally that’s considered a scam or fraud.
Unfortunately in the current gaming environment this is becoming normalized, and it’s only becoming that way because of corporate apologists and this weird ‘be kind’ mentality (that’s thankfully dying off) people have towards actions that are universally detrimental to their chosen hobbies.
The argument that 2020 was like this, so we should’ve expected this is a prime example. It actually makes this release even worse and a nonsensical logical jump. So you’d let someone rent your house out, even though they smashed up the last one and didn’t pay rent? “Oh you should’ve known, it’s not their fault they keep doing it, stop complaining!”
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I am not making excuses for anyone or any entity. Just pointing out the possibility that the launch may not have been able to be postponed any longer and a tough decision had to be made. This is just a theory, like others here. Nevertheless, the lines of accountability are very clear and folks here are spelling out the consequence as they see them, i.e., consumer dissatisfaction, loss of reputation, etc. Without any value judgement as to what was right or wrong, and not condoning the many consequences for us end users that folks are discussing here, I’m glad they launched into the maelstrom and hope that they stand by the product. It’s only been a few weeks and there is lots for them to do to repair the product. My cup is half full; YMMV. Peace.
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To attempt great things in life, one has to believe and risk failure along the way. And beauty is always in the eye of the beholder. What I hope for is that the dream is still alive, and that it is possible for them to see the vision through, even if it was too big a vision to deliver on right now. The consequences will fall where they may; folks who wanted refunds are getting them I read around here, so that is already playing out. What I hope for now is that some of the envisioned greatness shines through over time, and yes that could be a longtime, not making any excuses.
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