Sorry but I’ve been part of all of the examples you gave and sure they have issues and most folks would accept what you were saying to a point like with those other releases. My windows 10 and 11 upgrades went quite smooth, Apple has always been for me too and xplane12 was never this bad, not even close.
Excuse my reluctance to give slack but for a week now I’ve been struggling to even get in to the sim. The fastest load I’ve seen is 10 minutes plus and then after sitting through that video multiple times I’m eventually in to a mess, lost all my control profiles due to zendesk advice so all in all it’s been the complete opposite of enjoyable. Had to step away due to pure frustration.
I’m not expecting perfection on day 1, I’m really not but the things that are missing or buggy are just too numerous. This kind of experience I don’t need.
I only fly airliners , so my go to aircraft are Fenix , FBW and PMDG …forget the rest , although the inibuilds airbus are passable but the boeings , very poor !!
So glad I got to fly the fenix last night , they did their update to MSFS 2024 and no bugs so far , the great thing too is that with imported aircraft you start at gate outside , but there is nothing to remove so a quick control +C and you are in the cockpit ready to set up.
I saw British Avgeek fly the A380X in Storm Bert in the uk a few days ago , so thats promising , lets just hope PMDG get their products in soon as my 737-800 is not working too well at the moment in the sim.
Very worried about the liveries/midding situation though , at least Fenix and PMDG have there own livery installer (although couldn’t get that to work last night) , having said that …we need these modders to do theire great stuff for the community.
I am indebted to FBW and all they did and continue to do for the A32Nx and also the A380X fantastic team and if Microsoft/Asobo are trying to make us pay for liveries as well allegedly then this will be a very sorry state of affairs
Calm down people, they announced problem with liveries will be solved. Probably before Christmas.
About default aircraft, I do not consider them as poor. They are quite good, not all, but enough for average user. I do not expect from default aircraft to be study level. Some of them more in depth simulated, some are not.
But when I compare them with default aircraft in FSX or even FS2020, they are great.
I do not expect from default aircraft to be in depth simulated. I tried H225, C-47D, Ericsson, H125, A330, Beluga, A400M, balloon, C172, C408, S340, they are quite qood.
In FSX there was aircraft that didn’t had some basic functions.
In this sim, airliners are quite good. Better than some paid aircraft.
My opinion is that FS developers should put their efforts and time to make sim core to work properly, make a good base for addons.
I’ve been out of the loop for a few days, but from what I have read so far, which is quite concerning, I hope that Jorg stays true to his word. I’m paraphrasing as I don’t remember his exact words, but the gist was we wouldn’t lose anything from 2020, or rather nothing would be taken away. So far this is untrue, and some really important aspects of the sim have been hamstrung. If it’s a case of them not having it ready for release day, but it’s coming soon, then that’s fine. Not ideal, but these things happen.
Regarding the purchasable “cheating”, I don’t see that as anything more than the GTA5 shark cards. It’s the “pay to skip” option, rather than ”pay to win” since there are no real competitive aspects to the sim, other than the leaderboards. It doesn’t make it right, but if those who have more money than time buy those, and that helps finance the sim in some way, then why not.
It is however disappointing to once again see MS/Asobo tie themselves up in knots with the hand wringing over “cheating”, and encryption. But if one of the posts above is accurate, then it makes sense if they want to sell you cheats. Someone wiser than me once pointed out that if they are selling cheats to skip or accelerate your way through part of the game, then they have deliberately designed their game to be “grindy” to encourage the sale of those boosts. What’s the going rate for a CPL these days?
While they may be NOT study level I get that but even so they are generally not working very welll at the moment , they are buggy .
Re: FSX …came out in 2006 so we are talking nearly two decades ago , yes their default planes were ■■■■ , but I think thats where PMDG saved the day …That’s all I ended up flying !!
Agree FSX was released in 2006, but I am not comparing visual, I am comparing functionality.
For example A320, B747 didn’t even had FMC with basic functions. If you want to use NAV, it was GPS. So far I can remember they didn’t have APU. Some GA aircraft didn’t have properly working external lights, instruments were almost all the same in every aircraft.
Now, airliners have FMC, not the best, but it is functional, simulate and look like those in real aircraft. Textures are not the best, but god. I assume they could be better, but they are made so they can be flown on lower spec PCs without fps penalty. Overall, they are good. Probably people who want the best are not satisfied, but majority of us are satisfied, or at least I am. Some things could be better, but they are not of crucial importance.
What else comes to my mind, Premium Deluxe version have 95 aircraft, I give 140€ for that version. If we consider average price for high fidelity addon aircraft is 40€, 95 x 40 = 4800€ we would pay just for aircraft. And where is price for airports and core sim?
Yes I get all that , perfectly understandable …not knocking your choice or many other peoples choices in how they utilize the sim.
Maybe I am being a bit self indulgent , but as I fly on VATSIM pretty much 95% of the time I fire up msfs 2020 and now what with VATSIM integration now being implemented in MSFS2024 thats what I will be doing , hence why I only fly Fenix , PMDG , FBW aircraft , as they are study level.
for me , I woud not fly the A320 inibuilds as I don’t need to , not as good as the Fenix version by a long shot , still ok but its day and night in difference…and you can’t afford to not have non functioning aircraft that don’t have a fully working FMC/MCDU ( although I think Inibuilds does) , also to be able to fly holding patterns , ILS , RNP approaches etc in Vatsim if you are a member.
Not meaning to sound all cocky , but just letting you know why I do not fly default aircraft thats all.
What about before release. If this were a new car all we would have right now is a running chassis but don’t worry sir the Doors, seats, glass, air con, stereo, sunroof, mats and sound proofing will be coming soon we promise. Would you be chilled if that were your new car that you had already paid for. Of course not it’s the same deal here yet we just have to be ok with it. Well no.
I totally understand you. But they are not careless, they come with announced, there are some developers who doesn’t care. If you ever played WoT, you will understand.
And little offtopic, about that doors, seats and other… I am civil engineer, I have friends who are software developers and I was, arguing is hard word, but we had some kind of debate about software. I said to them that software lately is on low quality, a lot of updates and constant updates, what is even worse with one update some stuff is repaired, while some other gets broken.
Their defense is, you know, software is complex thing, we are working hard, you can’t see all things when you are making it, that is why we have updates and if we broke some things with update, it is because everything is connected.
My answer was, imagine that I have a building company and I build you a house, but you don’t have doors, you can enter thru windows. After few months I send workers to make doors, but in process they broke roof somehow, so now when it rains, you will get water in your bedroom. After roof is repaired, water in bathroom is broken. And after numerous updates/fixes, I say no more fixes, house is 2 years old, you need new house. Give me money for new house, while this one, you can keep, but it is not functional.
Totally agree. Encryption should only remain on third party contents as an option since it’s only benefit is preventing piracy. Piracy problems can easily destroy a small developer or prevent new developer from entering the market. So it should be optional on third party contents. However, first party contents, especially those available in base version, shouldn’t be encrypted as there’s little piracy issue. Even if there’s severe piracy issue, the benefits of decrypting contents still outweigh the risks. Microsoft has been allowing pirated Windows system for decades. This action didn’t bring loss in terms of profits, rather it created a huge and loyal Windows community and made Windows more profitable. It’s the same for MSFS, not to mention that there’s already a community there.
Please could the Devs act upon this, its not too late. I might have reconsidered purchasing if I could have known this or just have gone with the basic version then added in other aircraft. FOr the moment I have gone back to flying with FS2020., since I can alter content or load in creator content. this makes the sim exrtremely limited for me and others.
In a very related note, I’ve added a post about the lack of resync/reload that was in FS2020. Between encrypted planes and the lack of quick reloading, I smell the death of modding. Maybe that’s the point.
I trust Microsoft/Asobo will address this issue somehow, and allow aircraft and scenery to be downloaded rather than streamed. Hopefully sooner rather than later.
From my perspective, during the era of FSX, and to P3D and X-Plane, flight simulators might not have had the stunning graphics we see today, but it was reliable and stable. Since the release of MSFS 2020, however, it seems stability has never quite reached the levels of the past, with various strange issues cropping up. Nevertheless, thanks to the incredible work of the community, the efforts of developers, and continuous platform improvements, it has eventually become a quite decent platform. However, if MSFS 2024 doesn’t even allow custom liveries for default aircraft, or set barriers for community creators just to make more money by selling liveries, that would be a huge huge step backward.
The only reason I consider buying MSFS 2024 is the upcoming iniBuilds A350. Other features (and bugs) so far haven’t offered any appeal to me.
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