I know, one is unreleased and would be pure speculation, but I’m starting to see some awefully nice prices show up. Well, relative to recent pricing. Seeing some 3090 ti’s drop down just under a $1000 here and there.
I currently have a 3060 ti which is definetly vram limited at 1080. I want to run at 4k in future, monitor already in route…
So, my question (based on speculation) is: would a 3090 ti with 24gb vram be better than a 4080 with dlss3 and the helping a cpu bottleneck feature? 4080 16gb I guess, budget wise I would have really have liked to stay under a grand… I guess that dream is just a dream.
Rest of my system for reference is a Ryzen 7 5800x with 16gb ddr4 4266 ram. I’m running off a 775 watt power supply.
I’m hoping this remains constructive. I read in other comments people are ticked that nvidia pricing is high, yes, true, so is amd. Thanks to many undoable factors and world changing events, and a little additional greed mixed in for fun. Got it. Let’s please not rehash that here. Technology is also a moving target, and cards quickly go out of date or obsolete with simple announcements. It happens, got it, let’s move on.
There’s a nice open box Asus TUF 3090 ti at local microcenter at $980 that is crying for me to come swoop it up. But I’m refraining to let this conversation play out.
Thanks all in advance! Really glad I have gotten back into simming.
Since you already have a 3060, I would recommend against upgrading to a 3090 Ti when the 4080 is around the corner. Even with the lower prices of a 3090 Ti, this will likely be near the MSRP to a 4080. The 4080 should still be significantly faster than the 3090 Ti.
As for VRAM limitations, the 16 GB of VRAM on the 4080 is more than enough. The 3060 Ti is a bad comparison for VRAM, as it’s usuling slower GDDR6 memory modules and requires high capacity versus GDDR6x memory.
On a side note, you will need a bigger wattage PSU regardless which card you get. Going with a quality 1000W is a good place to start in terms of value and cost. I would not cheap out on PSU or try to run with your current PSU, as this can cause headaches with high power draw cards.
Ouuh, I had overlooked that for the 3090s, I’d need a new psu for those for sure. Checked the reqs for the 4080s, and Nvidia is saying 750 w. Puts me on bubble. But I have a high end, 80 plus cert Thermaltake which has been great thus far, and. I suspect exceedes the engineering design margin Nvidia has in their requirements. I concur about buying cheap psus, don’t.
Thanks for the reminder of that. That essentially makes this decision cost neutral. Worst case I underdog the gpu and buy a new psu later once/if I restock those funds.
And if 24gb vs 16gb at that juncture still isn’t an issue, then, I guess I should hold off until November.
You might be ok, but you’ll be leaving almost no room left. I have a TUF 3090 with a 375W power limit and an overclocked 5950x. Just running MSFS, my system pulls around 700W from the wall as measured by my UPS. PSUs are normally designed to be safe up to the advertised wattage, but I would be very cautious running near 100% at a regular basis.
One of the benefits of buying a new PSU is higher wattage capacity to allow for a higher power limit, and having one of the newest ATX 3.0 PCIe 5.0 PSUs that allow for a data communication between the PSU and GPU.
For the very second time (!) I have a game exceeding the 8 GB VRAM of my RTX3070 when set at Ultra.
First MSFS, and then Steelrising I just tested. The latter allow me to only set Texture to Medium. I can’t change that to High or Ultra as it goes up at nearly 13GB VRAM needed.
That’s don’t sound good…
Mmmm time to think about when I’ll be able to brainstorm with myself about a future GPU upgrade…
40 series GPUs if you want that huge performance boost. 30 series cards are irrelevant now a days. But i do have a question, this game was built around a 2080Ti. Why do you need a 40 series card to get these huge boosts?
I could have wrong obviously, but people around me think they will stay with, or grab, a RTX3xxx GPU due to power consumption of the RTX4xxx. I agree with that, all games and apps don’t need such beast. With an RTX3080 and above no games can’t be play at 4k, unless poorly optimized. It will pass a long time before an RTX3xxx will be the minimum recommended.
Enough is enough IMHO, my previous GTX1080 served me well during several years, and still a good GPU. My current RTX3070 is top notch for my usages, only MSFS struggle, but not that much as I keep 60fps nearly everywhere (1440p). My plan is to grab an RTX3080TI and to keep it during some years.
But I have a high end, 80 plus cert Thermaltake which has been great thus far, and. I suspect exceedes the engineering design margin Nvidia has in their requirements.
Kinda late response, but if your PSU is actually good, it will turn off if power is not enough. What makes a PSU good is stability in power delivery and ensuring that your components stay safe. Do not try to push over the limits of the PSU, because you will damage it. It’s always better to go over than to be under on power requirements.
A poor PSU will try to deliver beyond its actual capacity, go unstable and could damage your system. Just be careful because Thermaltake has good PSUs but also bad PSUs (check Gamers Nexus for example, they’re actually very illustrative).
I’m on the same boat, if getting a 3080 or waiting for the 4080. Nevertheles I currently have a 2060 12GB, so my starting point isn’t the same. I generally have as a philosophy to run 1.5/2 generations back near top tier (for example, I’m running a 3700X, and probably will jump to a 5700X3D when 7000 will become superseeded by next gen processors). Nevertheless GPUs prices have been so crazy that getting an acceptable GPU for a decent price has been a nightmare, so I got the 2060 12GB (TBH it’s doing a very decent job, I play with a 1080p monitor scaling at 140, almost everything ultra, and I get 25-30fps mostly everywhere except at busy custom airports like KLAX with the PMDG 737-800, which is my test).
If you’re in the US, I’d wait for a 4080. MSRP is almost as a 3090Ti, it’s a superior GPU and ensures more years of supported technologies. In my latitudes, I’ll probably get a 3080 and live with it.
Had to go dig it up again. Never home when I need to be. Lol
Thermaltake XT 775w.
“here we have the star of the show, the +12v rail. That rail is so solid that Vin Diesel would be shaking in his boots. Seriously, a drop from 12.10v to 11.96v is nothing at all and once again the cross-load and max-load results are also pretty awesome. Oh and in case you’ve been wondering: Yes, the XT 775w did manage to hold a whopping 990w load without breaking a sweat!”
Is a bit older then I recalled, reviews date back to 2013. Oops. But it’s been kept cool, and generally enjoyed light loads. Again, something I’ll probably have to update in shorter order, but one chunk at a time.
I used to be a community admin at the AMD forums, years past, psus were always the whipping posts for most problems back then, and the Psus I buy are usually well researched.
One thing I had not considered was the new 12v 12 pin connector on the rtx 4 series. I gather it allows the gpu to communicate directly with the psu. But they’re so new, that I can’t find one on the market. So I’ll let that nature a little and buy a new psu once a leader in that segment materializes.
Now I’m just hoping that when the 4080s release they’ll be really available.
On that point… I used to enjoy EVGA, but… There’s that elephant in the room. I like my strix cooler on my 3060, very quiet (always a priority for me), but I worry about longevity.
The 4080 will be a much longer term use purchase. Who’s the goto aside from EVGA for quality and warranty?
Now that I have a 4090 in-hand, I would answer the original question with “4080, most definitely.”
The 4080’s going to give you the DLSS frame doubling. (And despite what some are complaining about, I see no noticeable artifacts there with my 4080.) And the base performance is a bit faster than the 3090Ti.
As far as brand goes, I ended up with MSI. Good support over the years, good quality.
Yeah, I’m leaning towards the asus/gugabyte/msi trifecta. I find good and bad either way. I got my current Asus strix as a microcenter open box deal. I love that is quiet. It’s probably the one 1 quirk I have, I hate noisy PCs. My hatred of noise reached is peak with my old gt 260. OEM reference cooler. That was the last item reference cooler I ever owned for anything…
So yeah, I don’t need rgb, don’t really need a pre-oc’d card, bonus if priced right. So I’m thinking Asus TUF, gigabyte windforce. I’ll have to go recheck the msi offerings.
My MSI 4090 is literally silent at idle or when doing video editing. If it’s making any noise when gaming/simming, I can’t hear it over the game/sim. But I think that’s probably the case with most of the 4090s cards – they were designed for 600W of power and the card only uses up to 450 (unless overclocked), so the fans never have to run very fast to keep things cool given the massive heat sinks.
Asus TUF was going to be my first choice (for a silly reason – ARGB coordination with my Asus Z790 motherboard!), but it sold out immediately on NewEgg, so I went MSI and I’m very happy with it.
I’m heard enough grumbles about Gigabyte support over the years that I don’t go that route anymore, but they might be better now. I actually like the look of Zotac best, but nope, not going there.
But I think that’s probably the case with most of the 4090s cards – they were designed for 600W of power and the card only uses up to 450 (unless overclocked), so the fans never have to run very fast to keep things cool given the massive heat sinks.